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Gedrick frogue
Heuristic Industrial And Development
AddictClan
#1 - 2016-03-05 21:30:34 UTC
Hi All

Just been reading this

Patch notes for march

I do like the way they have put a large change to eve under "Miscellaneous" I thought watch lists were a bit more important to people

TBH it's a useful tool to every player in eve and this new option that both parties have to consent to be visible to each other simple beens that next week everyone might as well delete the contents of their watch lists are they have just become completely useless

Should prove a huge advantage to some players and vise versa a huge disadvantage to others

Gunna be a lot of people docked up or offline during war dec's now though that's my thoughts :)

Cheers

Ged
Neadayan Drakhon
Heuristic Industrial And Development
AddictClan
#2 - 2016-03-05 21:35:57 UTC
Yep, this is going to make for a lot of station spinning during wardecs if we can't see when wardeccers are online. The watch list is an integral tool of warfare and intelligence gathering, why the gigantic nerf bat hit to it?

Come on CCP, stop making stupid decisions, your track record lately is apalling enough.

Don't nerf the watch list!
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#3 - 2016-03-05 21:41:12 UTC
You can see wardeccers in system, why do you need to know if they're online?

Need to move to another system? Use a scout. Hell, a T1 frigate should suffice, you are in highsec after all.
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2016-03-05 21:48:55 UTC
Gedrick frogue wrote:
Hi All

Just been reading this

Patch notes for march

I do like the way they have put a large change to eve under "Miscellaneous" I thought watch lists were a bit more important to people

TBH it's a useful tool to every player in eve and this new option that both parties have to consent to be visible to each other simple beens that next week everyone might as well delete the contents of their watch lists are they have just become completely useless

Should prove a huge advantage to some players and vise versa a huge disadvantage to others

Gunna be a lot of people docked up or offline during war dec's now though that's my thoughts :)

Cheers

Ged


My god you people can only find negativity in every patch the made can you stop it?
Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2016-03-05 22:37:23 UTC
I think the main issue here is not really the watch lists, it's that EVE is already too pvp centric as it is and the watch list thing is disturbing the balance even more.

I have a friend that just joined and he is basically terrified all the time and telling me how its "not fun". I try explaining to him that nobody is going to bother to blow up his newbie ship, but it doesn't help. This guy is not a "carebear". He always plays PVP in other games.

Most of the ship destruction in the game is in empire which is not the way it is supposed to be.

If the pvp balance were less extreme, I think people would be concerned about the watchlist issue a lot less, but as things are the let's-kill-every-autopilot and wardec every single 3-player corp in EVE mentality is driving people away from the game. Its at the point where there are more wolves than there are elk.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2016-03-05 22:49:29 UTC
this would lay some extra efforts on rekking crews members since no more free intel if "those" caps pilots are online

interesting, but silly. If i have friend and we both added each other to WL just to see our current status or whatever instead i just check our corp or shared chat if he there or not. I hope i still could block people not asking them to block me to be able to block them...Roll

CCP, plz stop smoking that hard.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2016-03-05 22:54:40 UTC
Droidster wrote:
I think the main issue here is not really the watch lists, it's that EVE is already too pvp centric as it is and the watch list thing is disturbing the balance even more.

I have a friend that just joined and he is basically terrified all the time and telling me how its "not fun". I try explaining to him that nobody is going to bother to blow up his newbie ship, but it doesn't help. This guy is not a "carebear". He always plays PVP in other games.

Most of the ship destruction in the game is in empire which is not the way it is supposed to be.

If the pvp balance were less extreme, I think people would be concerned about the watchlist issue a lot less, but as things are the let's-kill-every-autopilot and wardec every single 3-player corp in EVE mentality is driving people away from the game. Its at the point where there are more wolves than there are elk.

100% agreed


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Leeluvv
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2016-03-05 22:59:54 UTC
Wormholes have 2 forms of Intel, as there is no local:


Watching players in a POS
Contact watch lists

Oh, bugger...
Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#9 - 2016-03-05 23:10:46 UTC
People have been asking for watch lists to be removed for aaaaaaaaages, now CCP are actually doing it people are upset.

No, watch lists being removed won't actually hurt you. Instead the "threat" that the scary-bad-man has logged in somewhere in the cluster will be hidden from you. If he's close enough to hurt you, you'll see him in local anyway and at that point you can be worried, before that point just be prepared. Your free intel is disappearing as it should, next up nullsec local chat changes.

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Jacques d'Orleans
#10 - 2016-03-05 23:10:46 UTC
Droidster wrote:

I have a friend that just joined and he is basically terrified all the time and telling me how its "not fun". I try explaining to him that nobody is going to bother to blow up his newbie ship, but it doesn't help. This guy is not a "carebear". He always plays PVP in other games.


*lmfao*
Sorry Dude, but that has nothing to do with the watchlist, this has to do with "plays PvP in other games".
The sooner he gets it that this is EvE and that EvE is sometimes harsh and unforgiving and it's nothing like WoW or Guild Wars 2, the sooner he learns that ships are tools which are ment to be destroyed. Everywhere! 24/7!
If he doesn't get that, he better stays with "PvP in other games".

TL;DR: Hello Kitty ----> over here

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Jacques d'Orleans
#11 - 2016-03-05 23:11:46 UTC
Mr Mieyli wrote:
People have been asking for watch lists to be removed for aaaaaaaaages, now CCP are actually doing it people are upset.


Well, be careful what you ask for, you might get it.

Breakfast is the most important drink of the day.
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#12 - 2016-03-05 23:11:53 UTC
Leeluvv wrote:
Wormholes have 2 forms of Intel, as there is no local:


Watching players in a POS
Contact watch lists

Oh, bugger...

Did you know there's this thing called a directional scanner? It shows you all ships that aren't cloaked or combat recons at a distance of up to 14.3 AU within a conical section of 5, 15, 30, 60, 90, 180, or 360 degrees.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#13 - 2016-03-05 23:14:48 UTC
For reference.

Quote:
Seeing a character's online status now requires mutual consent: You will only by able to see the online status of characters on your Buddy List if they have also added you to their list. This includes restricting the 'PlayerX is now online' notification popups to mutual buddies. If another character has NOT added you back, then they will always appear with a red 'offline' indicator regardless of their actual state.



Interesting. At least we are not forced to corp up with buddies to know when they are online.

We can also find out which enemies are watching, and of those sort who don't care if they are being watched. This does have the risk of being an intimidation tool. For that this is cutting both ways, like local.


Watch lists were helpful for nullsec for knowing who the BLOPS and hot drops pilots were was a good que to adjust operations when they were online.

In the end I think Malcanis' law is going to be the result of this.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Corvald Tyrska
Valknetra
#14 - 2016-03-06 00:31:16 UTC
Droidster wrote:
IIf the pvp balance were less extreme, I think people would be concerned about the watchlist issue a lot less, but as things are the let's-kill-every-autopilot and wardec every single 3-player corp in EVE mentality is driving people away from the game. Its at the point where there are more wolves than there are elk.


Whoa, whoa, whoa. You mean there is PVP content going on in hisec. I've been in a 3 player corp with my alts for years. How do I get these "people" to wardec me? Is there a form I have to fill out or something?
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#15 - 2016-03-06 00:46:19 UTC
good. this is a great change that needed to be made.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#16 - 2016-03-06 01:11:12 UTC
Droidster wrote:
... EVE is already too pvp centric ...

Everybody vs. Everybody

Need more rainbows and unicorns. [Keep in mind that an industrialist is poking fun at you.]
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#17 - 2016-03-06 01:15:39 UTC
This is a great change which has already been extensively discussed on both the forum and reddit.

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Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2016-03-06 01:31:13 UTC
I don't know, I'm not too fond of the change yet, but we'll see.

I think mercenary work and war decs (the ones where you actually have a specific target corporation or alliance and actively hunt for your kills) will get a lot more annoying, both for the attacker and the defender. The only ones unscathed by this will be the likes of PIRAT and Marmite, who don't actively hunt most of the time anyway.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2016-03-06 01:58:32 UTC
This will ruin content in wormhole space.

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Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#20 - 2016-03-06 02:20:09 UTC
RIP my free intel.

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