EVE General Discussion

Destruction

So from this picture posted on Reddit by CCP_Quant we can actually glean a lot of information about behaviors in EVE and extrapolate possible reasons for the observable patterns.

The most destruction occurred in The Citadel region approaching within spitting distance of 3 Trillion ISK (2.699T) for February alone. The Forge hit 2.2 and third is Lonetrek at 1.675T. Domain comes in very close but still honorable mention at 1.596T.

Black Rise clearly had the most activity in low sec - vibrant FW activity+piracy and proximity to Jita makes for a good deal of volatility.

The bulk of the destructive activity in high sec is likely suicide ganks of freighters.

Low sec has less than 25% of the activity of high sec - which makes sense since targets are less likely to be autopiloting and more likely to shoot back or just be a trap.

Null sec regions (querious and fountain being the only real exceptions) have very little activity thanks to Local Chat Dscan bots and the general risk averse nature of players that want to keep their pods intact.

The only way to make good sense of it would be to also include by region total isk in bounties and industrial production and then to calculate ratios -bearing in mind that some if not most things go to Jita to be sold...which will make The Forge very much an outlier in this analysis.

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Unfortunately, this will remain an opinion unless you do some research with the stats provided by zkillboard (or similar) and post some proof / numbers.

Also, "destruction" = not just the ships, but probably the cargo too, and any structures / POSes. So while freighters carry the most cargo, there have been kills of industrials full of PLEX or injectors, which could possibly skew the statistics.

If I just add up the numbers, I get just over 16.15T for nullsec and 17.01 for Empire (high and low). Just from that graphic I cannot discern between lowsec and highsec for the empire part. All Empire regions contain both high and low systems.

Now I could go and define a lowsec region as a region that has more lowsec systems than highsec systems. That would leave lowsec with a measly 3.12T - just little more than Citadel alone. That split would just be as inaccurate as any other I could make just from the information I have, though.

Really, there's not much to be learned from that graphic alone. One would need a statistic listing number of kills and isk value destroyed by system security as well to make something of it.

If I may get into educated guessing, though: Just from the numbers, you can hardly say that nullsec is inactive - PvP activity is however spread more thinly, simply thanks to the fact that there are 41 nullsec regions and 17 empire regions. Less than half of the latter are lowsec systems. So, players who prefer lowsec are crammed together in a very tight space. Pretty much the same holds true for Highsec, where most of the population lingers around trade- and mission hubs. Only in nullsec, people are spead out over a wide area. So, it's to be expected, that there are a few empire regions that show very high activity compared to nullsec.

Edit: On the part of suicide ganking: I agree that most of the kills in highsec are probably unconsensual PvP (although - just from that statistic, we can't really tell). But so are most of the kills in Deklein or Providence as well, I'd wager.

I disagree, that graphic tells the entire story.

17 Tril for empire vs 16.1 tril for null sec. Null sec averages 10% of EVE characters. The other 90 % is in empire and WH space. If you call WH space 5% (I think it's less than that), that means it takes 85% of EVE's character population to make a total that is slightly higher than tiny (in population) null sec.

It means that per capita, null is the most destructive area in the game. It also means that it takes high sec and low sec (including FW) to combine to outstrip null sec's total...meaning null sec accounts for more destruction that either high or low individually. I'd bet that WH space is the per capita king, but null is stil considerably more 'kill-y' in terms of isk than high sec.

It's probably somewhat accurate, but it doesn't say that anywhere. Where'd you get those numbers?

What is itneresting is the way in which production completely outnumbers destruction. My pet theory that the main source of "destruction" are lapsed accounts whose assets are effectively removed from the economy stands up.

Already have asked CCP Quant for the possibility of accouting the lapsed accounts as sinks.

No, Indahmawar Fazmarai would never say a thing like that...would she?

GD. Twist everything to your world view, and insert-not-so-hidden-agenda here.

I find your sources compelling and am swayed by your argument.

So, when IS CCP going to accomplish shutting down this forum and moving entirely over to Reddit?