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Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2016-03-04 00:20:21 UTC

in EVE New Citizens Q&A Resources


the EVE Online - New Pilot FAQ works in pdf .


1.
the New Player Experience page on EVElopedia.

is down


2.
the Educational organizations page on the EVElopedia

is also down


3.
the Rookie Help Channel FAQ on the EVElopedia

is also down


Other Guides
Eve Career Guide
works in pdf.


in between is on, linked to forums and 1 site, http://eve101.com


+
4.
If you need further help with the EVElopedia please contact the YARR (Admin) Team by email: evelopedia@isd.eve-online.com.

Don't be afraid to ask the ISD:STAR (Support, Training and Resources) members in the Help and Rookie Help channels with questions that you have. Don't hesitate to mail them In-game too.

is also down, and may not accept email... idk

Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.

ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#2 - 2016-03-04 01:13:47 UTC
Evelopedia is being shuttered in favor of the New Help and Flight videos. For more information see this release : http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/evelopedia-shutdown-2016-02-29-09-00/?_ga=1.54865890.878351476.1456619311

ISD Max Trix

Lieutenant

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

I do not respond to EVE mails about forum moderation.

Helios Anduath
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-03-04 01:49:29 UTC
ISD Max Trix wrote:
Evelopedia is being shuttered in favor of the New Help and Flight videos.


I think that the point that Buzz is trying to make is that the sticky thread for the New Citizen Q&A contains a lot of outdated links to Evelopedia and there is very little actually in place to replace it.

This is not the only board affected - The Issues and Workarounds board for example is SIGNIFICANTLY affected as most of the pages on troubleshooting and the info they contained are not replicated in the help centre or anywhere else.

It would seem that a general tidy up of the sticky threads in all subforms is needed. A list of missing info could also be useful but that is a bit harder to generate.
Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2016-03-04 02:13:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Buzz Orti
Helios Anduath wrote:
ISD Max Trix wrote:
Evelopedia is being shuttered in favor of the New Help and Flight videos.


I think that the point that Buzz is trying to make is that the sticky thread for the New Citizen Q&A contains a lot of outdated links to Evelopedia and there is very little actually in place to replace it.

This is not the only board affected - The Issues and Workarounds board for example is SIGNIFICANTLY affected as most of the pages on troubleshooting and the info they contained are not replicated in the help centre or anywhere else.

It would seem that a general tidy up of the sticky threads in all subforms is needed. A list of missing info could also be useful but that is a bit harder to generate.

Yes and Yes.

Plus, since it is harder for new players to find info if it is not given to them, the fact that new players info is missing will be that much more deconcerting to them.

More new players are asking for info on new player subject matter.

I'm not sure how it is in the EVE Uni in-game chat channel or the Rookie channel, but I presume that yes, things will be overloaded until the info is back online for reference.

Add to that the factor that it takes time to save links with info and to retrieve them a second time.
Most of the info that is too hard to remember may require to be accessed 2 times or more.

+ The work of finding what info is needed per specific tasks and what relates to those specific tasks as secondary and other level of references is going to be more complicated.

Even I still use new player info sometimes.

But now, all the info is gone, all I can do is sort my own info and I can't verify if it is used currenctly or if it is not which also makes it harder for me.
Except that, I'm not quite new.
I'm new to the game with a new connection that doesn't work good enough and I'm testing to add 2 GB DDR3 RAM chips at $5 each + shiping on Amazon or ebay because my computer is slow.

I also have to verify if my power supply is too weak to run the video card I have since it requires a 400 watts power supply to run (I presume that is the minimum recommended power...).
That could be the cause why the cpu is so slow to respond and why the RAM is also slow to respond.
The internet is also slow, even with the browser, and it slows my hardware hard disk drive and other devices to run.
Opening new program is slow.
I managed to record video with a screen capture program but it was slow , and I didn't verify, nor edit the video yet.
I just bought a new mic and stereo headphone for $20 and found a nearby store within a 40 minutes walk that also has some compatible with phone and computer.
(Pretty useless though since I can record sound files with the phone mic and it already has stereo headphones.)


Edit:
+ The EVE Career Guide .pdf format document is not compatible to display from Google Drive , unless it is saved to the Android storage, after a 15 minutes (approximation) download on free bandwidth limitation.
I saw it and hoped to be able to read it on the way 2 hours buses drive to work, but no files display properly on this tablet except screencaps or images.
I can try to install my mobile wireless modem (2nd of 2 for over $280 total) on it, but I don't know if it will work, and I don't know if the adapter connection works.
Either way, that would disable the keyboard, although that , if I'm only going to read info, I may not need to type.
(In other words, touchscreen may work.)

Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.

Helios Anduath
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2016-03-04 02:32:52 UTC
Buzz Orti wrote:
But now, all the info is gone, all I can do is sort my own info and I can't verify if it is used currenctly or if it is not which also makes it harder for me.
Except that, I'm not quite new.
I'm new to the game with a new connection that doesn't work good enough and I'm testing to add 2 GB DDR3 RAM chips at $5 each + shiping on Amazon or ebay because my computer is slow.

I also have to verify if my power supply is too weak to run the video card I have since it requires a 400 watts power supply to run (I presume that is the minimum recommended power...).
That could be the cause why the cpu is so slow to respond and why the RAM is also slow to respond.
The internet is also slow, even with the browser, and it slows my hardware hard disk drive and other devices to run.
Opening new program is slow.
I managed to record video with a screen capture program but it was slow , and I didn't verify, nor edit the video yet.
I just bought a new mic and stereo headphone for $20 and found a nearby store within a 40 minutes walk that also has some compatible with phone and computer.
(Pretty useless though since I can record sound files with the phone mic and it already has stereo headphones.)


And you have gone completely off topic here. I will be honest Buzz, I cannot quite tell if there is a language barrier, you are trolling or it is just the way you are - that is the nature of Internet forums - but tangential, excessive information is a theme with you.

What I will say in response is that seeking advice on your performance issues from knowledgeable people in an appropriate setting is probably a good idea. If you tell them your PC specs and what is slow, they might be able to point you in the right direction. Much like medicine, trying to self-diagnose and treat computer problems can lead to disaster (or just spending money that you don't need to).
Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2016-03-04 02:37:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Buzz Orti
Helios Anduath wrote:
Buzz Orti wrote:
But now, all the info is gone, all I can do is sort my own info and I can't verify if it is used currenctly or if it is not which also makes it harder for me.
Except that, I'm not quite new.
I'm new to the game with a new connection that doesn't work good enough and I'm testing to add 2 GB DDR3 RAM chips at $5 each + shiping on Amazon or ebay because my computer is slow.

I also have to verify if my power supply is too weak to run the video card I have since it requires a 400 watts power supply to run (I presume that is the minimum recommended power...).
That could be the cause why the cpu is so slow to respond and why the RAM is also slow to respond.
The internet is also slow, even with the browser, and it slows my hardware hard disk drive and other devices to run.
Opening new program is slow.
I managed to record video with a screen capture program but it was slow , and I didn't verify, nor edit the video yet.
I just bought a new mic and stereo headphone for $20 and found a nearby store within a 40 minutes walk that also has some compatible with phone and computer.
(Pretty useless though since I can record sound files with the phone mic and it already has stereo headphones.)


And you have gone completely off topic here. I will be honest Buzz, I cannot quite tell if there is a language barrier, you are trolling or it is just the way you are - that is the nature of Internet forums - but tangential, excessive information is a theme with you.

What I will say in response is that seeking advice on your performance issues from knowledgeable people in an appropriate setting is probably a good idea. If you tell them your PC specs and what is slow, they might be able to point you in the right direction. Much like medicine, trying to self-diagnose and treat computer problems can lead to disaster (or just spending money that you don't need to).
I wrote about the definition of language barrier and how it applies to social science and anthropological linguistic.

Anyways, I found and I'm downloading the 102 MB file with info from the evelopedia compiled by CCP staff despite interruption or potential interruption (from a free bandwidth).

I'll try to read the rest of the "barrier" work you guys are designing and update my systems with that once I get back from work tomorrow.

You guys will never stop trying to say that it is not my language and it is yours and you own it or something.
It is my first language.
Get back to earth.


Edit:
Ah yes, I see now, my co-worker friend worked for the military intelligence department and I bought my first system from him which still works.
Perhaps you have a better offer for me.
He wants anything valued at over $15,000 (minimum).
$10,000 is not worth it.


Edit 2:
+ My sister is a doctor and I can diagnose your system and offer too.
No sweat.
+ be adviced that dealing with the wrong systems can lead to war.

Edit 3:
This system was stalled 2 times while inputing after this which does not surprise me at all.
I did write more and I will actually copyright it before posting it here.
You perceive me as wrong, not right, you tell me what to do, even try to get credit for the text as if i should endorse it while you argue against me.
What good would credit from you be to me?
Better than 2 to 1 or less than 1 to 2?

I also run my own forum and site, do manage security on there too and I don't have to tell you how I deal with this kind of behavior.

How can a new player with system like me be able to get the info they need without being incited to fear constant retribution when they try to present a system as it is instead of it being approved by who knows how many people when it is bound for failure.
I prefer to base good language on other facts only than what everyone says.
It's obvious that because everyone attacks and lie and try to lead into what they want is not what right is.

I tend to be more selective and more discerning in my decision making process.
+ Since I plan for my family, I also have to include ways for them to protect themselves against this kind of kindness that can kill so to say.

Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.

Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#7 - 2016-03-04 04:56:30 UTC
This is an ongoing problem with CCP.

The Issues, workarounds, & localization forum has had the same problems and I tried to create threads to let the devs know and there was no response.

In the IW&L the Resources sticky the "Submit a bug report" link gives a 404. The "How to create a bug report" link gives a 404 error. I tried to notify the devs that monitor the forum, but they never fixed the sticky. You'd think a bug report link in a sticky would be fixed on a bug reporting forum. But nope. That was months ago.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2016-03-04 05:12:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Buzz Orti
Iria Ahrens wrote:
This is an ongoing problem with CCP.

The Issues, workarounds, & localization forum has had the same problems and I tried to create threads to let the devs know and there was no response.

In the IW&L the Resources sticky the "Submit a bug report" link gives a 404. The "How to create a bug report" link gives a 404 error. I tried to notify the devs that monitor the forum, but they never fixed the sticky. You'd think a bug report link in a sticky would be fixed on a bug reporting forum. But nope. That was months ago.

Yes indeed, this could be a problem leading to other problems if it is not resolved.

The problem lies in lack of appropriate communication and information which can lead to a system entropy.

I don't like it when I'm stuck to be too slow to avoid doing anything.

That is not an efficient system dynamic.


Edit:
According to admin reports, this was when the porting of the data was conducted.
Pretty sure this is adding to legacy code and it part of the process update system.
I'm not putting a price estimate on it at this point.

Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.

Nadja Hawk
Doomheim
#9 - 2016-03-04 09:22:36 UTC
ISD Max Trix wrote:
Evelopedia is being shuttered in favor of the New Help and Flight videos. For more information see this release : http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/evelopedia-shutdown-2016-02-29-09-00/?_ga=1.54865890.878351476.1456619311


now thats the most stupid thing I have ever heard
Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2016-03-05 02:05:28 UTC
Nadja Hawk wrote:
ISD Max Trix wrote:
Evelopedia is being shuttered in favor of the New Help and Flight videos. For more information see this release : http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/evelopedia-shutdown-2016-02-29-09-00/?_ga=1.54865890.878351476.1456619311


now thats the most stupid thing I have ever heard

I found where the new info is and how it is sorted.

Well done.

I also got the Evelopedia condensed edition zip file on my tablet and McDo refused to let me do anything
on Android Google Chrome from their connection tonight except get in Yolo's Twitch chat with some wierd stuff... Although we made it work, with a mod.
:) Smile

Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.

Gvaz Erto
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2016-03-07 00:36:51 UTC
ISD Max Trix wrote:
Evelopedia is being shuttered in favor of the New Help and Flight videos. For more information see this release : http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/evelopedia-shutdown-2016-02-29-09-00/?_ga=1.54865890.878351476.1456619311

I'd rather have the wiki. The videos are professional, but not super helpful (not informative enough)
Lianara Dayton
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2016-03-07 12:13:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Lianara Dayton
Helios Anduath wrote:
ISD Max Trix wrote:
Evelopedia is being shuttered in favor of the New Help and Flight videos.


I think that the point that Buzz is trying to make is that the sticky thread for the New Citizen Q&A contains a lot of outdated links to Evelopedia and there is very little actually in place to replace it.

This is not the only board affected - The Issues and Workarounds board for example is SIGNIFICANTLY affected as most of the pages on troubleshooting and the info they contained are not replicated in the help centre or anywhere else.

It would seem that a general tidy up of the sticky threads in all subforms is needed. A list of missing info could also be useful but that is a bit harder to generate.


What do you mean?? We (CCP) turned off the primary source of semi-official documentation for no reason (except "we're lazy as ****") and now you except us to update the links in the New Citizens Q&A stickies as well? Are you crazy? This is CCP, we never think anything through or completely implement a feature so it's actually worth anything... it's much better to just go ahead and implement walking-in-closets (or start by deleting the wiki) and then "iterate" on it later, sometime... maybe. Unless we have some other bright idea half-way through and totally abandon the previous project in favor of being awesome or something. "Making the wiki great again!!" ... and all that jazz.

Would be funny, if it wasn't (at least half) true. Ugh

On a serious note: I still don't understand why they couldn't just leave the old wiki online and accessible but not allow any further editing of articles and put a large red banner at the top, warning people that the information might be out-of-date and that new information can be found somewhere, sometime, if we get around to it. That would be much better then showing the new player a 404, that's for sure...

Lianara Dayton, Society for Peace and Unity

Trevor Dalech
Nobody in Local
Of Sound Mind
#13 - 2016-03-08 22:04:42 UTC
The enemy gate is down!








I'm sorry... off topic, but I couldn't resist!
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2016-03-08 23:59:57 UTC
This

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2016-03-09 00:13:59 UTC
J'Poll wrote:

OMFG!

Gabriel Iglesias is pretty funny. I ROFLed on that one.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#16 - 2016-03-09 02:41:01 UTC
Trevor Dalech wrote:
The enemy gate is down!








I'm sorry... off topic, but I couldn't resist!
\

Yea, it's what I was thinking from the title.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2016-03-09 07:32:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Buzz Orti
ISD Max Trix wrote:
Evelopedia is being shuttered in favor of the New Help and Flight videos. For more information see this release : http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/evelopedia-shutdown-2016-02-29-09-00/?_ga=1.54865890.878351476.1456619311

From the Help Center:
below the top
ACCOUNT & SUBSCRIPTION section
is the
GAMEPLAY & FEATURES
which has sections divided with:
.1 AGENTS & MISSIONS
.2 USER INTERFACE
.3 SOVEREIGNTY
.4 INDUSTRY
.5 EXPLORATION
.6 MARKET & CONTRACTS
.7 CORPORATIONS & ALLIANCES
.8 PLAYER OWNED STRUCTURES
.9 CHARACTER & ASSETS
.10 SHIPS & MODULES
.11 CRIMEWATCH
.12 EULA, TOS, POLICIES
with many of those sections having 7 or more articles.

Sample articles are:
.3 SOVEREIGNTY
* Entosis Link
* Vulnerability Window
* Command Nodes Event
* Capital System
* Activity Defense Multiplier

.4 INDUSTRY
* Industry User Interface
* Activities and Job Types
* Manufacturing
* Copying
* Invention
* Material Efficiency Research
See all 13 articles

etc...

Note that, it would be a good idea to not only keep a record of what those articles are, for in case they are taken down, as the Evelopedia.


Edit:
I'm updating a list of screenshot that I took, but I'm too tired to
1. finish updating / editing them.
2. upload them to imgur, if the site is not overloaded.
3. link them in this post or the next one after, or another post if tomorrow.
4. add relevant or related information.
Please note that I do not own any of the rights to those screenshots, although that I do have the right to take them for my own personal use.
I will also upload them and impart other players who felt the need for related info in text format, with the knowledge in those images .
They are not public domain and I may have to remove the images from imgur ...
I have no idea of the amount of work that is going on behind what is published , and I don't know the costs either.
Of course, I have enough understanding of those system to be aware of the approximate relative costs and security needs.

Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2016-03-10 09:26:27 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
J'Poll wrote:

OMFG!


And I read that in Gabriel's girl voiceBig smile

Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy

Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club

Buzz Orti
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2016-03-12 14:21:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Buzz Orti
Buzz Orti wrote:
...
Anyways, I found and I'm downloading the 102 MB file with info from the evelopedia compiled by CCP staff ...


That file is a .zip compressed file with:

Evelopedia Database Copy 2016-02-17.sql

inside.


Does it require a Microsoft SQL database to read it?

If not, which program can read that file.?

I found it on my hard disk, even though it's original download link shows it as deleted.

Builds ship in empty Quafe bottle.