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-10 in high sec

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Katana Seiko
Made in Germany
#1 - 2016-03-03 18:30:26 UTC
So.. I have a question about High Sec and -10 characters.

When I last checked out from EVE a few years ago, characters with -10 security rating were not allowed in security 0.5 and above. Now they apparently are allowed and appear to like to abuse this.

I am somewhat for some sort of punishment for disrupting other people's leisure time. I understand that "safe space" is not supposed to be *that* safe. But what good is a security status when it's not enforced in any way? Even kill rights are worthless when nobody enforces them.

What would be interesting is a way to pay Concord to execute your kill right, price based on your standing - pod kill optional and only available if the perpetrator is below -5, for an extra fee of course. And only while they are in High Sec, obviously.

What's your thoughts on the matter? In some way it's another way to sink money - and to make HighSec a little less secure for those who break the rules.
Saeger1737
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#2 - 2016-03-03 18:32:07 UTC
You must have died to code, let us redirect you to a pillow.

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Paranoid Loyd
#3 - 2016-03-03 18:50:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Katana Seiko wrote:
When I last checked out from EVE a few years ago, characters with -10 security rating were not allowed in security 0.5 and above.
Afaik, this was never the case although it is something ignorantly spouted by many carebears.


If I would have seen you I would have killed you too. I am not -10 and you would have died in the same glorious fashion. You had a hilariously blingy ship with very poor protection. The fact that you were killed by a -10 is irrelevant. Further, they have it much harder than anyone else, so no they don't need further restrictions.

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Sir SmokesABunch
Trust Is Earned
#4 - 2016-03-03 18:53:23 UTC
As a seasoned ganker in high sec, I would conclude that having a minus ten status is only a minor issue.

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Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#5 - 2016-03-03 19:35:52 UTC
Saeger1737 wrote:
You must have died to code, let us redirect you to a pillow.

Alternatively, I have an ocean-sized bucket for that deluge of tears.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#6 - 2016-03-03 19:43:47 UTC
Katana Seiko wrote:
garbage.



Please either learn the damn game mechanics or go back to WoW.

You can go anywhere in the game with a -10 security status. That, BTW, happens to be CONCORD faction status. If you manage to get -10 sec status but keep empire status at a much higher level (technically possible but very difficult...) you can actually run around in Empire space and not have to worry about faction police. CONCORD will still pop you if you are dumb enough to hop/undock in a ship, however.

Just like you can have a great security status and have certain empires hate your friggen guts (this mainly applies to fac warfare pilots.......)

Killrights.

A player can make a killright open to EVERYONE, open to his corpmates, open to a specific person, or make them exclusive to himself.

Note that killright scams are the new love.

Basically, the tools are there for any player to take horrible and gruesome revenge for being murdered in hi/low sec.

If said player is too lazy/stupid/incompetent/cowardly to avail himself of said tools, they should give me All Their Stuff(tm), biomass their toon and proceed to Star Trek Online. They will be very happy there.

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#7 - 2016-03-03 19:53:02 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:
Katana Seiko wrote:
garbage.



If said player is too lazy/stupid/incompetent/cowardly to avail himself of said tools, they should give me All Their Stuff(tm), biomass their toon and proceed to Star Trek Online. They will be very happy there.

Roll


Proceed to Star Trek online, forum warrior princess. That's where you belong. Link the fictional saga about me again, immortalize me more. Silly scared alt.Lol

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#8 - 2016-03-03 20:21:41 UTC
Katana Seiko wrote:
When I last checked out from EVE a few years ago, characters with -10 security rating were not allowed in security 0.5 and above.


No, you misunderstood this. Eve has very few mechanics that absolutely forbid things. There are consequences to being -10 in highsec: you will constantly be hunted by faction police and CONCORD will not protect you from other players. That security status greatly limits what can be done in highsec.

Katana Seiko wrote:
I am somewhat for some sort of punishment for disrupting other people's leisure time.


Good. No one is really opposed to CONCORD.


Katana Seiko wrote:
Even kill rights are worthless when nobody enforces them.


Killrights are worthless on -10s. But I've hunted down plenty of people using killrights.

Katana Seiko wrote:
What would be interesting is a way to pay Concord to execute your kill right, price based on your standing - pod kill optional and only available if the perpetrator is below -5, for an extra fee of course. And only while they are in High Sec, obviously.


hahahaha

No. First off, pushing off more of the game content to NPCs is a bad thing. There are several ways you can make use of killrights and their low security status to punish them for what they did. Paying off an NPC to magically show up and do the dirty work is cheap.

Second, those -10s expect to lose everything they undock to concord. You're not going to be effective. What people like you fail to understand is they don't view game resources the way you do.

Katana Seiko wrote:
What's your thoughts on the matter? In some way it's another way to sink money - and to make HighSec a little less secure for those who break the rules.


Get out there and hunt the -10s if you want to make highsec more dangerous for them. Trial and error should give you some creative ways to do this.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#9 - 2016-03-03 21:10:25 UTC
It would help the op more if they learnt how to fit ships rather then make silly posts on forums. Like rigging things and not leaving empty midslots/trying to tank a mack with a small shield booster. The level of ignorance is both profound and depressing.

Will gank for food

Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2016-03-03 22:25:18 UTC
You seem to have come under a lot of flak, don't worry about it, it's the very nature of c&p, but take away the posturing and chest beating there are some good answers above and the information you need. If you need help with fittings do ask, maybe not here but ingame Big smilee

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#11 - 2016-03-04 00:12:22 UTC
Katana Seiko wrote:
So.. I have a question about High Sec and -10 characters.

When I last checked out from EVE a few years ago, characters with -10 security rating were not allowed in security 0.5 and above. Now they apparently are allowed and appear to like to abuse this.

I am somewhat for some sort of punishment for disrupting other people's leisure time. I understand that "safe space" is not supposed to be *that* safe. But what good is a security status when it's not enforced in any way? Even kill rights are worthless when nobody enforces them.

What would be interesting is a way to pay Concord to execute your kill right, price based on your standing - pod kill optional and only available if the perpetrator is below -5, for an extra fee of course. And only while they are in High Sec, obviously.

What's your thoughts on the matter? In some way it's another way to sink money - and to make HighSec a little less secure for those who break the rules.




They are "allowed" so far as they can use gates and such.

They just have to run a lot. They're fun to shoot at. Twisted

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Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2016-03-04 01:57:50 UTC
If you're going to fly something that shiny, you need to get a lot more clever about hiding it. Stealing even one of those ORE strip miners would make losing a battlecruiser in the gank worth it.

Modulated Stripminer IIs are better anyway. The only advantage ORE miners have over the base version is range.

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John E Normus
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#13 - 2016-03-04 02:39:03 UTC
Being -10 means you will never be in a situation where you have to experience the wonders of eve's pve content. Unless you're killing someone doing pve. Then it's like 20 seconds max.

It's not so bad.

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Pix Severus
Empty You
#14 - 2016-03-04 04:25:04 UTC
Living as -10 in highsec does have it's restrictions. For one, you need to be constantly on the move, or the faction police will explode your ship. If you're running a single account, you need to create multiple bookmarks around gates and stations so you can look for targets whilst avoiding the facpo that constantly spawn on top of you. I realise that, to a miner, not being able to sit in one place in space for longer a few seconds must seem quite alien, and maybe a little scary.

It does come with it's benefits, however, such as the cool popup announcement that appears on everyone's screen when you enter system, it feels like you're a superstar. Also, showing up red flashy in local makes you stand out from the rest of the risk-averse inhabitants, people know you mean business.

Anyway, OP, you've suffered a loss due to your own ignorance of game mechanics, and instead of learning from that experience, you've decided that the game should change instead. This is why you're receiving a negative reaction in this thread, and rightfully so. It's a mistake that many in your position have taken in the past.

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Jacques d'Orleans
#15 - 2016-03-04 06:13:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Jacques d'Orleans
Katana Seiko wrote:
So.. I have a question about High Sec and -10 characters.

When I last checked out from EVE a few years ago, characters with -10 security rating were not allowed in security 0.5 and above. Now they apparently are allowed and appear to like to abuse this.

I am somewhat for some sort of punishment for disrupting other people's leisure time. I understand that "safe space" is not supposed to be *that* safe. But what good is a security status when it's not enforced in any way? Even kill rights are worthless when nobody enforces them.

What would be interesting is a way to pay Concord to execute your kill right, price based on your standing - pod kill optional and only available if the perpetrator is below -5, for an extra fee of course. And only while they are in High Sec, obviously.

What's your thoughts on the matter? In some way it's another way to sink money - and to make HighSec a little less secure for those who break the rules.


High sec is already safe enough! It's not up to CCP to make High Sec even more a heaven for the risk averse and lazy ones.
You lost one ship and got podded, get over it, it will happen again, sooner or later.
Tbh, it was no wonder you got killed, with that fit shouting "Please gank me" and your pod was a juicy target too.
I'm pretty sure you didn't spent attention to your D-Scan, because if you would have done so, there wouldn't have been a gank in the first place!
But of course it's easier to come to C&P and whine about "gimme more security in High Sec, because i'm playing since '05 and still have no clue about how easy it is to avoid to be ganked". Just wait a second and let me get my tear collecting bucket.

You should not think about CCP making HS even more secure as it already is, you should think about how you can avoid to be ganked or get yourself out of your comfort zone and fight back.
Otoh, If you just want to be a miner, then a mining permit is also mandatory, it's only 10M, a real bargain!

P.S: Breaking the rules and shootin' stuff is one of the core concepts of EVE, hell, it's even in its name: EvE= Everone versus Everyone.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
#16 - 2016-03-04 06:18:18 UTC
Hello OP

Do you have 10min to talk about James 315 and what YOU can do for a better Highsec?
Ozzie Udan
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2016-03-04 06:51:16 UTC
John E Normus wrote:
Being -10 means you will never be in a situation where you have to experience the wonders of eve's pve content. Unless you're killing someone doing pve. Then it's like 20 seconds max.

It's not so bad.



I would pay to see you mine, Cool

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Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2016-03-04 07:11:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Tisiphone Dira
That fit...

James 315 wept.

and mike, none of that stuff about going round at -10 is right.

There once was a ganker named tisi

A stunningly beautiful missy

To gank a gross miner

There is nothing finer, cept when they get all pissy

Katana Seiko
Made in Germany
#19 - 2016-03-04 09:07:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Katana Seiko
Okay.. I enjoyed the insights so far - even the TL;DR of some obviously butthurt PvPers. It was interesting to see how "blingy" those ORE miners have become. When I bought them some years ago (before the Phobos kill, for those checking kill info) they were worth "only" about 30 million ISK. Is it fear of gankers that made them skyrocket in price? I sold one of them (I actually had 3 from a Hulk that is now useless) and made back more than I lost in that kill.

The only thing I am a bit frustrated about is the fact that nobody seems to care anymore. Back in the old days you received offers like "I'll deliver his frozen corpse for XX millions to you" by some respectable Mercs, but even that appears to have disappeared into scamming.. The thing I meant was something like how you press charges with the police today.. Some similar mechanics would be interesting, not breaking the game. Police would hunt and shoot a person that just shot a school relentlessly until he's down, but probably think differently about a white guy that just robbed a convenience store. (#DigitalLifesMatter)

Anyhow, I am not crying over spilled milk, I am wondering about where game mechanics went that were once a bit friendlier to you and your (returning) ass. I mean, everyone has his SOE(*) at some point and can talk about it on end if he wants to.
(*= Sore Orifice Event)

And while we are on the subject of Fittings - is there anything still around like that once so powerful PvP Hulk? Or did the ganker's whining successfully make CCP remove all the ganker traps?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#20 - 2016-03-04 11:22:41 UTC
Katana Seiko wrote:
And while we are on the subject of Fittings - is there anything still around like that once so powerful PvP Hulk? Or did the ganker's whining successfully make CCP remove all the ganker traps?
The Skiff and Procurer fill that role, although gankers are well aware of their capabilities and tend to treat them as obvious bait.

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