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Lowsec Gate Camping

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Paranoid Loyd
#21 - 2016-03-02 22:40:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
98040 wrote:
You took a direct attack against me by trying to discredit me and my experience, and you assumed a lot of things that weren't true. If you don't like the response you got, be nicer.

I'm only saying that I think that CCP should make the art of piracy harder to implement.

They can start by making it hard to sit on a spawn point like a gate and farm real players. If you don't like that idea, then propose an alternative that isn't 'I want my money maker imbalance to persist'. That's not what this thread is about.

It's still a legit imbalance, and all you folks know it but still want to justify your 'I-Win' griefing campaigns.

Thank you to the people who have taken the time to propose alternatives and other potential remedies. That's helpful.


Paranoid Loyd wrote:
OK, now I am starting to think you are the troll. You have been around since 2003 and still haven't learned to navigate low sec?
And you're telling me not to embarrass myself? Roll

Why would I go through Jan which is obviously camped, while two jumps away there is another entrance to low sec that is obviously not camped? I'm not even at home right now and I can tell you are doing it wrong.


Wow, just wow. You are telling me how I am assuming a lot of things all the while you keep telling me I don't want to lose the ability to gate camp in low sec. News flash, I have never gate camped in low sec.

I did propose an alternative. Don't go through systems you know are camped if you don't have the numbers to fight back.
I then pointed out how without even being anywhere near a computer that can run eve I found a much much safer route with a 2 jump detour.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

SurrenderMonkey
The Exchange Collective
Solyaris Chtonium
#22 - 2016-03-02 22:49:11 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
98040 wrote:
Go to Jan. You will meet your maker quickly.

I think there's a lot of merit to counter-GANK rolling setups, as long as that's your intention.

The problem is when it's not your intention.

SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
98040 wrote:
Trolling isn't really necessary to debate a point that's worthy of some attention.
Who's trolling? I gave you an honest answer. I roll through low sec all the time, I never get caught in gate camps. so it seems you don't know how to play the game properly and perceive this as a need for change. Whereas I know how to navigate without worry and do not believe this is worth of attention.



On that note, I've been solo-suicide-roaming in an MJD-only fit drake the last few days and I haven't so much as been yellow-boxed while traveling through low to-and-from null.

Outside of FW zones, low is pretty devoid of life.



Went through Jan last night. There was a lone Oracle sitting 40km off a gate. When I came back, a Stratios had joined him.

They didn't shoot me.

Quote:
I was in a Destroyer. Do I really need a scout for a Destroyer? I don't think so.


You didn't think so. Sounds like some honorable spacepirates corrected your faulty assumption. Pirate

You should tip them for the excellent service they provided in educating you.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#23 - 2016-03-02 23:23:44 UTC
I have a feeling you've never actually taken part long term, in gate camping low sec. Rather than it being 'easy' as you put it, it's the opposite. Your statement regarding the Rattlesnakes, belies your claim of being a 2003 player. Not only was it possible without that ship, it was happing before that ship even existed.

The game has seen many changes over the years, that have made lowsec piracy on gate harder than ever. WTZ, auto pilot settings and more, have all seen a massive decrease in low sec piracy on gates. But also game changes to how you can be attacked have also meant gate camping in low, is very much one of the riskiest professions in the game.

Now at this point I'm sure you'll be disagreeing a lot and thinking you know best. But here's why you would be wrong.

When you camp a gate, you have a rather large, 'We are here' sign. You remain in the same spot and basically invite everyone and their the kitchen sink to come and have a go. Not only that, but the fits required to camp successfully, do not generally bode well when groups arrive on the scene to violence your boat.

You are for all intents and purposes, sitting ducks.

Now your suggestion that as pirates we should fight the game, is quite frankly ridiculous. This is a sandbox MMO. The whole point of the game is small set of rules, open game for players to makes their own. But gate camping IS piracy. We camped Rancer for years and made a fairly good living off ransoms, but it got harder and harder. To the point, it became pointless.

You also suggest it's a problem when the intention isn't to hunt campers. Well welcome to Eve. The game is full of situations that meet that requirement, including fittings. Which is all the more reason why gate camping is fine. To suggest travelling should be made safer, because you do not or will not use the tools readily available, isn't going to gain any traction here or with CCP.

The game as it sits now, is the safest it's ever been for those wishing to avoid conflict. So much so it saddens me. So you'll have to excuse me for laughing at and mocking your ignorance.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Mortlake
Somalian Coast Guard Authority
#24 - 2016-03-02 23:36:00 UTC
You are the psoriasis that is irritating EvE.

Sometimes you hit the bar and sometimes the bar hits you...

Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#25 - 2016-03-03 00:19:24 UTC
everyone replying in this thread, hasn't actually left hisec.

just sayn.

@JerryTPepridge

Areen Sassel
Dirac Angestun Gesept
#26 - 2016-03-03 01:12:18 UTC
Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
everyone replying in this thread, hasn't actually left hisec.


Left hisec? I haven't found the undock button yet.

(To the OP, I think you would be better served by making more concrete proposals - maybe not that well served, but better).
pushdogg
relocation LLC.
#27 - 2016-03-03 03:58:30 UTC
Post with your main or gtfo.

I want to to see the lossmail that sparked this rage.
Vapis Bikker
81 Flying Skulls
#28 - 2016-03-03 04:51:59 UTC
tell us where the bad pirate touched you.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
#29 - 2016-03-03 10:05:29 UTC
98040 wrote:

I was in a Destroyer. Do I really need a scout for a Destroyer? I don't think so.


clearly you are very dead wrong. Lol



anyway, if gate camping is so easy, bring your friends and make the effort to get rid of them.



Just Add Water

Mike Adoulin
The Clown Shoe Crew
P I R A T
#30 - 2016-03-03 13:08:37 UTC
*looks at OP's post*

Hmmm

Wait.

You got caught in a gate camp?

In lowsec?


HHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHA

In a destroyer?!!?!?!?


HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.

Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
#31 - 2016-03-03 14:34:44 UTC
which naughty pirate group violated you?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#32 - 2016-03-03 16:27:15 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
98040 wrote:
You took a direct attack against me by trying to discredit me and my experience, and you assumed a lot of things that weren't true. If you don't like the response you got, be nicer.

I'm only saying that I think that CCP should make the art of piracy harder to implement.

They can start by making it hard to sit on a spawn point like a gate and farm real players. If you don't like that idea, then propose an alternative that isn't 'I want my money maker imbalance to persist'. That's not what this thread is about.

It's still a legit imbalance, and all you folks know it but still want to justify your 'I-Win' griefing campaigns.

Thank you to the people who have taken the time to propose alternatives and other potential remedies. That's helpful.


Paranoid Loyd wrote:
OK, now I am starting to think you are the troll. You have been around since 2003 and still haven't learned to navigate low sec?
And you're telling me not to embarrass myself? Roll

Why would I go through Jan which is obviously camped, while two jumps away there is another entrance to low sec that is obviously not camped? I'm not even at home right now and I can tell you are doing it wrong.


Wow, just wow. You are telling me how I am assuming a lot of things all the while you keep telling me I don't want to lose the ability to gate camp in low sec. News flash, I have never gate camped in low sec.

I did propose an alternative. Don't go through systems you know are camped if you don't have the numbers to fight back.
I then pointed out how without even being anywhere near a computer that can run eve I found a much much safer route with a 2 jump detour.



Main reason I go in and out of Jan is there is a concord office there where I turn in security tags after I ganked something. So alternate routes around don't help if thats why your going there. That said I was never caught in a camp in Jan. like ever. I have also solo roamed low sec is a t1 destroyer. never died to gate camps. Must just be how I bothered to read up on how to play and op didnt?.

Quick check list for op so he can self balance his eve:

  • Fit cloak/mwd. Learn how to use them.
  • make book marks in systems. This includes instant dock/undocks as well as perchs above gates and safe spots.
  • never fly direct from a gate to a gate and never land at a gate on zero.
  • check systems for pilot deaths in previous hour
  • scout alts parked in systems you transit alot are win.
  • [*] don't post threads on Crime and punishment asking for low sec nerfs and expect to be taken seriously.

    Will gank for food

    Barron Hammerstrike
    Medusa Nova Mining And Trade
    #33 - 2016-03-03 16:40:44 UTC
    Lowsec is fine how it is and if you're regularly moving through it you should be using your map to gauge how many ships and pods have been destroyed in the systems you're moving through. When you do lose a ship it's the cost of doing business in lowsec which, if you're decent at, should allow you to lose ships on occasion and still come out ahead.
    Lan Wang
    Knights of the Posing Meat
    #34 - 2016-03-03 16:50:59 UTC
    i gatecamp, why should your playstyle be more important than mine?

    Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

    Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

    Azov Rassau
    The Hornets Cartel
    #35 - 2016-03-03 16:54:41 UTC
    Speaking of Jan, the Autaris gate in Jan is often camped. (All I've spotted so far is Svipuls, Keres, logi and some random outrageous Machariel). Also keep in mind that their alliance (<16-13> for the curiousBlink) is based 1 jump away, in Nalvula, so watch out. Here's how:

    Tarojan wrote:
  • Fit cloak/mwd. Learn how to use them.
  • make book marks in systems. This includes instant dock/undocks as well as perchs above gates and safe spots.
  • never fly direct from a gate to a gate and never land at a gate on zero.
  • check systems for pilot deaths in previous hour
  • scout alts parked in systems you transit alot are win.
  • don't post threads on Crime and punishment asking for low sec nerfs and expect to be taken seriously.

  • /thread I guess.

    Be the change you want to see in Highsec.

    Anti-Ganking Fun: www.gankerjamming.com

    Paranoid Loyd
    #36 - 2016-03-03 16:58:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
    Tarojan wrote:
    So alternate routes around don't help if thats why your going there.
    Sure they do, if you were to go around through Hageken you would not even be seen by the gate camp that is obviously sitting on the highsec gate.
    Going through gate camps is easy assuming you have a proper fit, going around them may take longer but you can use any ship and fit you want.

    "There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

    Fix the Prospect!

    Mortlake
    Somalian Coast Guard Authority
    #37 - 2016-03-03 17:20:42 UTC
    Whilst we're complaining, I'd also like to point out an inherent issue concerning the Noctis.

    I tried running a Maze in one last week and it died within seconds. This is obviously wrong and should be fixed immediately.

    Also, what's the point of even being able to put a plex in your cargohold? I hear people complaining about dying whilst autopiloting with them at certain specific gates and stations all the time, especially when they're flying rookie ships. These ships obviously need a buff and / or Thrashers and Tornados need to be rebalanced.

    This game is crap because it's not coded correctly. CCP's HTLM sux.



    Sometimes you hit the bar and sometimes the bar hits you...

    Mobadder Thworst
    Doomheim
    #38 - 2016-03-03 17:33:14 UTC
    Mortlake wrote:
    Whilst we're complaining, I'd also like to point out an inherent issue concerning the Noctis.

    I tried running a Maze in one last week and it died within seconds. This is obviously wrong and should be fixed immediately.

    Also, what's the point of even being able to put a plex in your cargohold? I hear people complaining about dying whilst autopiloting with them at certain specific gates and stations all the time, especially when they're flying rookie ships. These ships obviously need a buff and / or Thrashers and Tornados need to be rebalanced.

    This game is crap because it's not coded correctly. CCP's HTLM sux.





    +1. I have had these issues.

    I would appreciate immediate resolution.
    Lan Wang
    Knights of the Posing Meat
    #39 - 2016-03-03 17:42:54 UTC
    Mortlake wrote:
    Whilst we're complaining, I'd also like to point out an inherent issue concerning the Noctis.

    I tried running a Maze in one last week and it died within seconds. This is obviously wrong and should be fixed immediately.

    Also, what's the point of even being able to put a plex in your cargohold? I hear people complaining about dying whilst autopiloting with them at certain specific gates and stations all the time, especially when they're flying rookie ships. These ships obviously need a buff and / or Thrashers and Tornados need to be rebalanced.

    This game is crap because it's not coded correctly. CCP's HTLM sux.





    +1 and also cloaky mwd trick removed for anything that isnt a cov ops

    Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

    Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

    Mike Adoulin
    The Clown Shoe Crew
    P I R A T
    #40 - 2016-03-03 19:52:37 UTC
    I too demand the Noctis get a major buff to its drone bay/bandwidth so I can deploy 5 Gecko's at once.

    The ship also needs the drone buff seen on the Procuror and Skiff.

    Bear

    Everything in EVE is a trap.

    And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

    You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

    Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.