Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Kronos needs a buff to become useful in PvE at a high level.

I used the Kronos extensively when I lived in Fountain. It worked beautifully.

Blasters asb and heart sinks

I think at the very worst it's a bit harder to make work for what you want it to do compared to the other three; not as Swiss Army knife as the others people have said. It's still a powerful Marauder from what I have heard, just not as flexible.

Also, confirming that the Kronos' guns fire magical hearts that spread hugs, kisses, and love. The perfect Valentine's gift.

Explain

Might want to read this.
Shield PvE Kronos

Fail thread a side i will agree with poster above I wanted and try to make blaster Kronos viable but settled for rails instead at the end of a day it performs better.

However if you're doing pve content that always spawns close/same space like anom and stuff I can see blastor Kronos work.

One single word: Damage

Blasters do so much more damage than rails that even at 40 km blasters with null still out damage rails with javelin. Generally what I do when i get into a complex is see if the enemies are > 50 km away, If so, I MJD over to them. While waiting for my MJD i calculate how far from the enemy i'll end up, and I load the correct type of ammo (void if < 21 km null otherwise).

Yes, at ranges > 27 km the pulse pally is better, but anything less than that and the kronos out damages it, and most of my engagements happen at < 27 km

I disagree..
In PVE, I would say the Golem is the best.

Using Cruise missiles, you get 1k dps at max targeting range (118km), with good application.

[Golem, Cruise]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script
Large Micro Jump Drive
Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Small Tractor Beam II
Bastion Module I

Large Warhead Calefaction Catalyst II
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II

Hobgoblin II x5
Salvage Drone I x5
Warden II x1

Implants
CM-605
GP-805
TN-905
RL-1005


1037 DPS with implants
Boosts for 22% shield HP in one cycle while in bastion
Cap booster for when I forget to turn off my damn shield booster (all the time)
Triangulate gate on MJD out, then MJD back in to gate... 2 min 30 sec to reach gate regardless of distance.
118km targeting range
Damage selection based on mission


Too easy...

Don't touch my Paladin.

Paladin is absolutely perfect precisely where it is, stat and bonus-wise. It doesn't need a tracking bonus, since that's precisely what optimal does for you anyway if you fly your ship correctly. Optimal is the reason I can do over 1k DPS out to 60km (or 70km if I'm feeling adventurous) with instant application because turrets. Optimal gives you tracking at range while allowing you to use higher-damage ammo. Optimal is awesome. If the Paladin didn't have an optimal bonus, I just wouldn't fly it.

Unless you're just talking about how bastion interacts with each vessel? I have almost never activated bastion, so if you want to tweak that, okay, but I don't think you can program a single module to do different things depending on which vessel it's operating on.

But don't touch my Paladin's innate stats or bonuses

Anyway, I can see where the problem comes in with the Kronos and CCP's dilemma with it. In the ship line, Caldari has optimal, Gallente has damage. That creates problems on the battleship level where your lack of mobility and tracking really necessitate optimal over almost everything else (see: Paladin shining like the golden, amazing ship that it is). But since they wouldn't want two hybrid marauders since that would mean everyone would use Caldari over Gallente, period. Because as we've seen in this and countless other threads, your high damage at knife range doesn't mean squat when you can do good or great damage across the grid. So their way to split the difference was to give Gallente a ton of falloff (a trait seen in a few of their line ships), so they'd have some reach with either rails or blasters.

With the way blasters and their ammo goes, that means your ammo choice doesn't do much to alter your range, so you'd almost always use the high-damage stuff. With rails, it helps cushion the difference, but ammo selection is more important. You can still get good range out of a rail Kronos, even with Antimatter (again, ideally around 65km or lower, kinda the same range as beam Paladin before you need to start shifting ammo types for more range on both vessels).

So, the Kronos ended up with a falloff bonus to help give it reach, but it's still not optimal (pun not intended) for a vessel of that size.

The Vargur seems to have ended up in the same place, albeit from a different route. Because of the nature of how artillery and autocannons are built, artillery is never really optimal for PvE. High alpha means you're constantly going to overkill your targets, while your DPS needed to clear anything more than one guy is extremely low. So, autocannons all the way. This means the Vargur is another brawling battleship, in a game where large weapons still don't track well unless at range and large weapons have a lot of range to play with. But autocannons always play in falloff, so CCP was backed into a corner to buff the tracking and falloff of another large vessel.

So you end up with two brawling battleships (already not an ideal situation) who have a special ability that completely immobilizes them.

Verses, the Golem (taking your word on this, I don't fly it because I hate missiles) and the Paladin (my favorite ship ever), that are built with bonuses and weapon systems that excel at range, using large weapons that do best at range, and use a special ability that immobilizes them but that isn't a problem for them, plus the tidbit of extra range helps.

That's our problem. Bastion dramatically helps the two battleships that are built logically for their size and weapons, but bastion greatly hinders the two brawling vessels.

I suggest a compromise. Create a second version of bastion, and you have to choose which one to mount on your vessel.
-Version one is what we have now, no change.
-Version two removes the repair boost and changes it out so the marauder is no longer immobile - can move and afterburn and MWD at will (but still can't warp out, like you're warp disrupted). And instead of the 25% optimal/falloff range bonus, you get 50% falloff.


On a side note, it'd be nice to have a tech II version of bastion for those of us who trained marauders to 5. Maybe reduced mobility instead of complete immobility? Just something, a little something....