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Sisters of Eve /moveme tool that creates 1 way wormholes into Thera

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Pleasure Hub Node-514
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#1 - 2016-03-01 12:07:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Pleasure Hub Node-514
Multi-use implant that creates an unstable wormhole anywhere in space into Thera. Wormhole collapses immediately upon entrance.

Think about it like a sisi /moveme command to put you in Thera (just includes a quick animation).

-Implant cannot be used to leave Thera.
-PvP kickstarter. Serves instant button function of bringing more ships and bodies into the Thera lion's den. Fleet's can get into Thera quickly and form up to assault stations or out connection wormholes.
-Power projection back into K-space limited by mass restrictions of wormholes. Project small to medium sized gangs across New Eden if you can survive getting out of Thera.

TL:DR:
Personal 1-way WH generators only to Thera. Spawn in, fleet form up, and fight out. On demand PvP content.

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#2 - 2016-03-01 12:39:00 UTC
But entrances ate already abundant and almost always updated onto public sights the need for this is almost 0
Iain Cariaba
#3 - 2016-03-01 12:45:12 UTC
Considering there is this website, this suggestion is not needed.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2016-03-01 12:50:15 UTC
How the hell does something you plug into your brain make dimensional rifts?
Pleasure Hub Node-514
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#5 - 2016-03-01 12:56:06 UTC
@Iain Cariaba

Yes, I've used Eve Scout before. This is a suggestion that removes some of the player hesitation for entering Thera (e.g. immediately bubbled on the inside. )

Under this proposal it's relatively easy to enter Thera, but bloody difficult to leave. Is there something wrong with that?

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Pleasure Hub Node-514
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#6 - 2016-03-01 12:57:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Pleasure Hub Node-514
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
How the hell does something you plug into your brain make dimensional rifts?

D R I F T E R M A G I C
It doesn't have to be an implant, however, preferably something small enough that can fit in the cargo hold of any ship.

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Heiluri
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-03-01 13:15:14 UTC
Considering how well Thera is connected to everywhere in the game this would be the most effective tool of force projection seen in the game.
Pleasure Hub Node-514
Pleasure Hub Hotline
#8 - 2016-03-01 13:29:22 UTC
Heiluri wrote:
Considering how well Thera is connected to everywhere in the game this would be the most effective tool of force projection seen in the game.

I could see this instigating massive fleet battles.

-Players activate Thera spawn device.
-Regroup on fleet leader in Thera.
-Scan down out WH or use existing bookmarks.
-Push to claim out connection WH.

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Heiluri
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2016-03-01 13:50:02 UTC
Pleasure Hub Node-514 wrote:
Heiluri wrote:
Considering how well Thera is connected to everywhere in the game this would be the most effective tool of force projection seen in the game.

I could see this instigating massive fleet battles.

-Players activate Thera spawn device.
-Regroup on fleet leader in Thera.
-Scan down out WH or use existing bookmarks.
-Push to claim out connection WH.


Where did massive amounts of force projection lead us last time? To the rental empires because no-one could challenge the groups that had the numbers and ability to project to the other side of New Eden in matter of minutes. Those groups still have the numbers required to do so and by allowing instant teleportation to Thera they are given back the power to hold large parts of the null sec easily.
Pleasure Hub Node-514
Pleasure Hub Hotline
#10 - 2016-03-01 13:59:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Pleasure Hub Node-514
Heiluri wrote:
Where did massive amounts of force projection lead us last time? To the rental empires because no-one could challenge the groups that had the numbers and ability to project to the other side of New Eden in matter of minutes. Those groups still have the numbers required to do so and by allowing instant teleportation to Thera they are given back the power to hold large parts of the null sec easily.

Wormhole mass physics would limit large scale projection into k-space territory. You could get large fleets mobilizing within Thera to protect (or collapse) wormhole access, however, it's still a race to find out-connections as they form.

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#11 - 2016-03-01 14:10:21 UTC
Pleasure Hub Node-514 wrote:
Heiluri wrote:
Where did massive amounts of force projection lead us last time? To the rental empires because no-one could challenge the groups that had the numbers and ability to project to the other side of New Eden in matter of minutes. Those groups still have the numbers required to do so and by allowing instant teleportation to Thera they are given back the power to hold large parts of the null sec easily.

Wormhole mass physics would limit large scale projection into k-space territory. You could get large fleets mobilizing within Thera to protect (or collapse) wormhole access, however, it's still a race to find out-connections as they form.


not really i just stash ships all over then use this plant in an interceptor
Heiluri
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2016-03-01 14:13:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Heiluri
Pleasure Hub Node-514 wrote:
Heiluri wrote:
Where did massive amounts of force projection lead us last time? To the rental empires because no-one could challenge the groups that had the numbers and ability to project to the other side of New Eden in matter of minutes. Those groups still have the numbers required to do so and by allowing instant teleportation to Thera they are given back the power to hold large parts of the null sec easily.

Wormhole mass physics would limit large scale projection into k-space territory. You could get large fleets mobilizing within Thera to protect (or collapse) wormhole access, however, it's still a race to find out-connections as they form.


For this example let's take a look at L031 (Wormhole type between Thera and null) It has max mass of 3,000,000,000 kg (Yes, I know there is variance in the mass of a wormhole but we don't care about that in the example.) a Gila for example has a mass of 9,600,000 kg. So with a single null sec connection from Thera we can project more than 300 cruisers. I would call that pretty major force projection.
I have a pretty good feeling that if this was to be implemented into the game, major null groups would seize and secure Thera in matter of hours.
Pleasure Hub Node-514
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#13 - 2016-03-01 14:22:58 UTC
Heiluri wrote:
For this example let's take a look at L031 (Wormhole type between Thera and null) It has max mass of 3,000,000,000 kg (Yes, I know there is variance in the mass of a wormhole but we don't care about that in the example.) a Gila for example has a mass of 9,600,000 kg So with a single null sec connection from Thera we can project more than 300 cruisers I would call that pretty major force projection.
I have a pretty good feeling that if this was to be implemented into the game, major null groups would seize and secure Thera in matter of hours.

With the wormhole generator, people holding Thera have little control of who gets into system. They can't see when someone pops in due to the delayed chat mechanics. They'd have to be constantly prepared for offensives and stations are risky refitting spots.

If wormhole size is going to be an issue for power projection, mass can be shrunken.

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Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2016-03-01 14:29:00 UTC
Heiluri wrote:


For this example let's take a look at L031 (Wormhole type between Thera and null) It has max mass of 3,000,000,000 kg (Yes, I know there is variance in the mass of a wormhole but we don't care about that in the example.) a Gila for example has a mass of 9,600,000 kg. So with a single null sec connection from Thera we can project more than 300 cruisers I would call that pretty major force projection.
I have a pretty good feeling that if this was to be implemented into the game, major null groups would seize and secure Thera in matter of hours.


Well, people were convinced that major null groups were going to seize and secure Thera from the moment it was announced. So far, not so much. And limiting force projection here would be as simple as making the created wormhole so unstable that only one ship is allowed to pass through before it collapses. Maybe also make it so that only one created wormhole can be activated per k-space system and per pilot between downtimes, so that your 300 Gila's would need to leave from 300 different systems and couldn't go back until the next day.

That said, I'd rather keep the wandering nature of Thera. Part of the appeal is never knowing where it will pop up next and what connections will be available. Grand Central Station without a published train schedule. Just wouldn't feel the same if there was an "easy in" method.
Mynxee
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
#15 - 2016-03-01 14:34:31 UTC
Wormholes into Thera are almost never camped. Mainly it's the high sec ones that are close to a trade hub where you see that. And almost always, there's an uncamped alternate that adds only a few high sec jumps if you're interested in traveling to/from trade hubs. People who want fights in Thera can easily come there looking for them using our Web site; lots of my Signaleers (myself included) will cheerfully drop a bookmark for you if you're not set up to probe the entrance out yourself. People who want eyes in Thera to learn whether a hole is camped or not can join the EvE-Scout public channel and ask any Signal Cartel member. Fleet comps of camps are not part of what our guys are supposed to report; if a camp is reported and you choose to jump in, what you face after deciding to jump in is your problem.

OP, your implant idea doesn't make sense to me. Have you been to Thera?

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Pleasure Hub Node-514
Pleasure Hub Hotline
#16 - 2016-03-01 14:35:00 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
That said, I'd rather keep the wandering nature of Thera. Part of the appeal is never knowing where it will pop up next and what connections will be available. Grand Central Station without a published train schedule. Just wouldn't feel the same if there was an "easy in" method.

I appreciate your thoughts. I do understand the sentiment. I also feel like something powerful could be gained by letting people pack Thera at a moments notice. It'd still have 'wandering' connections, however everyone would be competing to catch the train home.

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Heiluri
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2016-03-01 14:42:04 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:

Well, people were convinced that major null groups were going to seize and secure Thera from the moment it was announced. So far, not so much. And limiting force projection here would be as simple as making the created wormhole so unstable that only one ship is allowed to pass through before it collapses. Maybe also make it so that only one created wormhole can be activated per k-space system and per pilot between downtimes, so that your 300 Gila's would need to leave from 300 different systems and couldn't go back until the next day.

That said, I'd rather keep the wandering nature of Thera. Part of the appeal is never knowing where it will pop up next and what connections will be available. Grand Central Station without a published train schedule. Just wouldn't feel the same if there was an "easy in" method.


Currently to benefit from Thera as a tool of force projection you need to have a suitable entry as well as an exit. Under the proposal of the OP you would only need the exit and not the entry so the strategic value of Thera would raise a fair bit. But then again who knows. And I do agree with you on the fact that Thera should be wandering.
Pleasure Hub Node-514
Pleasure Hub Hotline
#18 - 2016-03-01 14:42:27 UTC
Mynxee wrote:
OP, your implant idea doesn't make sense to me. Have you been to Thera?

I have. I was in signal cartel briefly (Jadek Kin).

What I'm suggesting changes the paradigm of how Thera is used. The idea of the personal wormhole generator is to quickly bring people into Thera via independent wormholes that collapse immediately. When inside the furious fishbowl, Thera out-connections have greater importance to both be camped and assaulted as people try to jump out of the fishbowl.

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Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2016-03-01 14:54:32 UTC
I too enjoy random fleets spawning from the maw of the deep.

Considering how abundant Thera holes are, an implant such as this removes half of the travel time Through any Thera route. Which is already a strong tactic for many groups.
Pleasure Hub Node-514
Pleasure Hub Hotline
#20 - 2016-03-01 14:59:50 UTC
Rowells wrote:
I too enjoy random fleets spawning from the maw of the deep.

Considering how abundant Thera holes are, an implant such as this removes half of the travel time Through any Thera route. Which is already a strong tactic for many groups.

Yes, that is important. Would the trade off be worth it for nearly instant fleet PvP content in Thera.
Fleet loads up personal 1-way WH generators. FC calls jump. Group reforms on FC in Thera and the fleet attempts to fight their way out of Thera.

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