Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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1. You could always make your own corp and pirate the pirates.
2. Nah, one faction warfare system is plenty.
3. That could be interesting... not sure what it would do without CONCORD vs. pirates, but a potential drawback could be that all empires become hostile to them and shoot them in hisec?
4. That sounds cool, but will be abused. Just get an alt, do a bad thing on your main in a noobship, kill your main with your alt, and enjoy piles and piles of LP.
5. That would be cool. It could be a target list for anti-pirate corps and a leaderboard for pirates.
6. What exactly would the maintainence do? And what would be the reward/point?
7. Again, I'm not sure if that's the sort of thing that CCP will incentivize in-game, but you could always make your own corp and use cargo scanners on people liberally.

Some time ago my CEO wrote something I think the OP might enjoy

Something thought provoking regarding piracy, anti-piracy and the sandbox.

"EVE Unbalanced - The Sandbox is a Lie"

If i understand the OP correctly, he's not talking about ganking and player piratism, but actions against and for the npc pirate factions in a way similar to the factional warfare between the empires.

I suppose at its simplest you could have the option to join the pirate faction in the Faction Warfare window whilst docked at one of their stations and have that switch pirate rats to blue and all empire NPCs to red. Probably would instantly drop your sec standing to -10 too.

Beyond that, the Faction Warfare system could be expanded to add pirate vs empire control and plexes, either in the existing Faction Warfare lowsec areas as a three-way war system or in the lowsec areas not currently used for Faction Warfare.

Potentially it could be set in NPC null sec instead and have either pirates vs empire/CONCORD Faction Warfare or pirate faction vs pirate faction warfare. Could be an interesting way to get a lot more people into NPC null sec.

Here's my two cents.

Anti-piracy -- and by that I assume you mean cleaning up CODE/CONDI ganksquads? -- is a dead born child. You lack the most important bit of all: REWARD!

When a ganker pops a freighter, he gets loot.
When a bully sells a mining permit and you're dumb enough to buy one, he gets ISK.

Pray tell ... what do You get out of shooting a handful of 2 million ISK catalysts?

How long are you willing to wait for that Anti-gank to happen, and what meaningful assistance do you think you can render in the 20-30 seconds a gank takes to complete? I'd wager you're still in warp to the killzone, just in time to whore on Concord's killmail. Not to mention the kind of fleet you'd need to ward off said gankalysts; for anybody who can shoot a freighter in 30 sec can surely pop a sizable portion of your fleet in 30 sec too! And last but not least: groups like CODE and their ilk excel at staying docked until called upon. I expect your anti-gank efforts to be excruciatingly boring.

So, there you are: with no loot, no killmails worth speaking off; yet taking all the risk of becoming a prime target yourself. U mad bro?


One thing that *might* work, is offering Freighter escorts to take care of pesky bumpers and ganksquads; provide some intel and all that ... except I can't imagine anyone willing to put their trust in a player-run service like this. It'd be like buying a hauling permit all over again: paying for protection.

What I meant is: I wouldn't entrust the survival of my investment to ANY third party. And if I have to pay for it, I might as well get a hauling permit and take the gankers word for it they won't pop me -- not even on an alt whilst pocketing the protection money.

Unless you can make a Protection contract with proper collateral....... but again, I see so many ways to abuse it it isn't even funny anymore.

There is an anti pirate guy trying to whip up some AG activities on the Amarr-Jita pipe. He seems like a good guy that gets the game and is having some success at creating an AG movement. He's getting folks to work together to counter freighter ganking.

So the player vs gankers stuff is already working as intended. He's gotten miles further than anyone else as far as organizing the AG folks. Check out the various AG threads in crime and punishment.


You can also aid NPC pirates, it just comes w/ a flashy red price tag. This also is working as intended.


You can also join in and help out concord, but you have to wait (just like concord) until after a concordable crime has been committed.



The game already provides all you seek. Your ideas aren't new. What keeps them from becoming a thing is there has never been a strong enough player driving them into being on a large or lasting scale.

You were doing so well and then you screwed the pooch.

Some do, but not all. One of MiniLuv's purposes, particularly during an Imperium campaign, is to disrupt enemy logistics. Others gank because asploding internet spaceships look pretty.