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For the 100th time: Free Flight will bring people to EVE.
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Jak'at
The Terrifying League Of Dog Fort
Deepwater Hooligans
#1 - 2012-01-11 16:30:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Jak'at
I'm sure this has been suggested more times than CCP can stand to hear...

But more ship control needs to be added.

EVE is single-handedly the most difficult game out in the MMO field. There needs to be some added incentive which makes the game somewhat enjoyable.

Frankly, Battlestar Galactica online is not comparable to EVE in quality on any level, but I enjoy playing it well beyond logging into EVE anymore. I dump more into a game where I can't even TRADE with other players... than I do in EVE. It's all the same **** now.

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Someone needs to steal the Ship Controls from BSGO and implement them into EVE so I can come back to this game and actually enjoy flying a ship. Double clicking sucks.



*KEEP AT RANGE*
*ORBIT*
*KEEP AT RANGE*
*KEEP AT RANGE*
*DOUBLE CLICK*


The only reason I'm suggesting things... is I see the entire community getting pretty ******* bored.

Since CCP has already started the drastic changes, it's time to start implementing some INSTANT FUN FACTOR.

/rant.

Going back to BSGO. Don't even need to say it, nay-sayers.
Jak'at
The Terrifying League Of Dog Fort
Deepwater Hooligans
#2 - 2012-01-11 16:34:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Jak'at
EVE HAS LITTLE-TO-ZERO INSTANT FUN FACTOR.

Grind for ISK
Or HOPE to PVP

Many of us have LIVES now and we can't spend all day hoping for a fun moment... not when other developers are creating instant fun.

- Small gang PVP (needs ISK-incentive)
- Free flight

Add them.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#3 - 2012-01-11 16:37:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Nope sending instructions to the sever thousnds of times a seconds isnt fun.

Also you are a captain not a fighter pilot.

Also what good would free flight do if everyone has computer assisted aim? your wasting energy needlessly.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.
Jak'at
The Terrifying League Of Dog Fort
Deepwater Hooligans
#4 - 2012-01-11 16:46:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Jak'at
Nova Fox wrote:
Also what good would free flight do if everyone has computer assisted aim? your wasting energy needlessly.


You speak as if you know anything about tracking speed and CCP's servers capabilities or programming itself.

Pretty sure [evasion] given the current algorythms for taking damage would be greatly increased if I could control my own ship.

Pretty sure someone spam clicking is not any better than simply holding down the right click button to aim your ship and using other keys to assist with hard turns.

Who cares if youare lazy. Games should be fun. Gate to gate to gate so you can wait for some FC to yell primaries gets pretty old. If they expect this glorious game to go anywhere, they need to make it more fun for people OTHER than FC's and Corp/Ally leaders.

Lets face it, the only reason they wouldnt implement free flight is because it might cut down on the ISK-SINK which is losing ships due to having little to no control.
Boris Lachenkov
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-01-11 16:49:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Boris Lachenkov
The only reason they might not do it is because it would require an overhaul over the current system, would require hundreds of hours to complete and might only give them a couple hundred more users (If they came for the movement system and nothing else).

In terms of cost-effectiveness, this is a bad idea.

Also, I like the current system. It's simple and straight forward to use, if you're being bored while playing I think you are misinterpreting your frustrations. I think you're just bored with the game in general.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#6 - 2012-01-11 16:52:18 UTC
Boris Lachenkov wrote:
The only reason they might not do it is because it would require an overhaul over the current system, would require hundreds of hours to complete and might only give them a couple hundred more users (If they came for the movement system and nothing else).

In terms of cost-effectiveness, this is a bad idea.

Also, I like the current system. It's simple and straight forward to use, if you're being bored while playing I think you are misinterpreting your frustrations. I think you're just bored with the game in general.


Besides the mass quantities of people who would leave if they turned Eve into a fighter simulation game instead of the game it is now.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#7 - 2012-01-11 16:55:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Jak'at wrote:


You speak as if you know anything about tracking speed and CCP's servers capabilities or programming itself.

Pretty sure [evasion] given the current algorythms for taking damage would be greatly increased if I could control my own ship.

Pretty sure someone spam clicking is not any better than simply holding down the right click button to aim your ship and using other keys to assist with hard turns.

Who cares if youare lazy. Games should be fun. Gate to gate to gate so you can wait for some FC to yell primaries gets pretty old. If they expect this glorious game to go anywhere, they need to make it more fun for people OTHER than FC's and Corp/Ally leaders.

Lets face it, the only reason they wouldnt implement free flight is because it might cut down on the ISK-SINK which is losing ships due to having little to no control.


No I just three lined the entire reason why ccp wont do it, why the community hates it, and why its infeasable at the moment.

There are about 8,000 pages on this topic declaring why including numerous ccp responses.

CCPs biggest shot down however has always been, You are a captain. You are to manage the ship, Not fly it like a fighter pilot.


Also yes I know enough about pilot behavior and eve gun tracking that would make this idea abosultely horrid nobody would want to fly a frigate in pvp anymore agianst larger ships. Becuase the moment you show your tail end at me is the moment I am ramming a 240mm shell up those exhaust pipes.

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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#8 - 2012-01-11 18:22:55 UTC
Jak'at wrote:
Lets face it, the only reason they wouldnt implement free flight is because it might cut down on the ISK-SINK which is losing ships due to having little to no control.


Um, I don't mean to be insulting, but you just showed here how little you know about this.

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#9 - 2012-01-11 18:30:38 UTC
No thanks

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy
#10 - 2012-01-11 18:42:00 UTC
Please find a server/game engine that can support 100s of ships with real time flight mechanics? And not be wireframe....
Valei Khurelem
#11 - 2012-01-11 18:50:01 UTC
No, you're not allowed to have instant fun, EVE is a game that is for boring, autonomous and unimaginative dimwits whose only outlet in life seems to be a video game where they have to make other players suffer so we all have to be like them.

Yeah right, I support this idea, especially if there are physics involved and I don't care who whines about lag you can take a fibre optic cable and shove it up your ass.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy
#12 - 2012-01-11 18:53:13 UTC
The issue is a technical one, your talking about a different game.
Valei Khurelem
#13 - 2012-01-11 19:02:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
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Please find a server/game engine that can support 100s of ships with real time flight mechanics? And not be wireframe....


AHEM!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXbTBSem9ME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aruyeiqoj4E&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LywaJEmkvTo&feature=related

This conversation is over, yeah, I think I'll just go and play this now if CCP aren't willing to even get to this level when people are paying them subscription fees.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Jak'at
The Terrifying League Of Dog Fort
Deepwater Hooligans
#14 - 2012-01-11 19:51:45 UTC
In all reality, I don't have to know much about the topic nor do I really care if they add free flight.

I just want to get a show of hands of people who are ******* bored with EVE.

PVP Needs some LOVE to keep a massive player base. There needs to be incentives that can be applied to more than just an executor corp... especially when the only benefit from fighting is losing your ship or hoping to whore on a mail.

Fun times CCP. Done it all and I'm bored. Do I quit? Longer? I bought a toon after a year break and not only has most **** dissolved and 0.0 just exchanging hands. It's just like... nothing to re-up for.

Otherwise, I agree, I don't see instant fun factor and why play a game for any other reason other than to fill a void which only exists in one person's mind. Sounds like escapism with no benefit. Mastur-deprava-tion. Yey.




Someone suggest something in this game which could be considered instant fun and I'll backpedal.
Taint
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-01-11 20:12:19 UTC
so eve is to hard for you ? cant find easy mode ? cry me a riwer plzz
Valei Khurelem
#16 - 2012-01-11 20:16:43 UTC
Taint wrote:
so eve is to hard for you ? cant find easy mode ? cry me a riwer plzz


EVE isn't hard, it's for noobs like you who can't win at anything else and just want to gank people.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Taint
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-01-11 20:21:49 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Taint wrote:
so eve is to hard for you ? cant find easy mode ? cry me a riwer plzz


EVE isn't hard, it's for noobs like you who can't win at anything else and just want to gank people.


so we are back at you guys cant find eve on easy mode hehe
Valei Khurelem
#18 - 2012-01-11 20:24:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
Taint wrote:
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Taint wrote:
so eve is to hard for you ? cant find easy mode ? cry me a riwer plzz


EVE isn't hard, it's for noobs like you who can't win at anything else and just want to gank people.


so we are back at you guys cant find eve on easy mode hehe


So which easy mode are you talking about? PLEX or Botting?

Either way, you're obviously one of those people who don't actually play the game and don't want to lose your cheats.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Velicitia
XS Tech
#19 - 2012-01-11 20:29:15 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Quote:
Please find a server/game engine that can support 100s of ships with real time flight mechanics? And not be wireframe....


AHEM!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXbTBSem9ME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aruyeiqoj4E&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LywaJEmkvTo&feature=related

This conversation is over, yeah, I think I'll just go and play this now if CCP aren't willing to even get to this level when people are paying them subscription fees.



other than the Descent 3 graphics, and only a handful of combatants at once ... save for the last one that has "300 mining ships" (plus the player, I guess), yeah ... this "beats" eve Roll

now let's make it 600 PER SIDE, missiles, drones, and other insanity that the EVE playerbase throws at you ... and we'll talk about whether or not some form of "free flight" works...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Taint
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-01-11 20:31:52 UTC
Yea you righti payd for this toon for more years then i can remember not to log in, cant fool you i se.
Its not to be all rude, but did you consider that perhabs eve isnt for you ? i think its only 1/5 that continues eve after have tryed it, and thats the beauty of eve, thats its not like anything else. Thats why we like it, once in awhile theres one like you who dosnt like it, then quit, try another mmo, theres no shame in that tbh.
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