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Fraulein Von Katzenjammer
Norwegian Seal Clubbers
#1 - 2016-02-27 14:01:36 UTC
Im currently sitting on a healthy sum of isk and ive invested some of the isk in some of it in different ingame "items" that have gone up in price the latest years. But i really want to spread my risk and i would love to buy shares in NPC Corporations that would give out annual dividence to their shareholders depended on the amount of Income after expences.

Any support for this?
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#2 - 2016-02-27 14:21:10 UTC
Fraulein Von Katzenjammer wrote:

Any support for this?




So...you would like the NPC corporations to give you free ISK that they have magicked out of thin air, just so you can fritter it all away on cheap cosmetics and pay a blind late-stage syphilitic to apply them to your face by way of a hand-held catapult? Excuse me if I'm not immediately supportive.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Lugh Crow-Slave
#3 - 2016-02-27 14:24:30 UTC
Again if it can be done by players npcs have no business w getting involved and there are already player corps who will take increments and pay out dividends

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Fraulein Von Katzenjammer
Norwegian Seal Clubbers
#4 - 2016-02-27 14:27:47 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Again if it can be done by players npcs have no business w getting involved and there are already player corps who will take increments and pay out dividends


Would you trust any EVE player you didnt know? I wouldnt give ANY eve player any of my isk based upon th fact that humans have a Genetic defect to be decent and trustworthy. Ergo it would be much better to have a non human part to invest in. (or even a NPC Bank)
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#5 - 2016-02-27 14:30:23 UTC
Fraulein Von Katzenjammer wrote:
I wouldnt give ANY eve player any of my isk based upon th fact that humans have a Genetic defect to be decent and trustworthy.




Roll

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Fraulein Von Katzenjammer
Norwegian Seal Clubbers
#6 - 2016-02-27 14:32:33 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Fraulein Von Katzenjammer wrote:

Any support for this?




So...you would like the NPC corporations to give you free ISK that they have magicked out of thin air, just so you can fritter it all away on cheap cosmetics and pay a blind late-stage syphilitic to apply them to your face by way of a hand-held catapult? Excuse me if I'm not immediately supportive.



I am impressed by Your skills to try semi insult my Choice of makeup and i thank you for Your input. And yes... NPC should give out annual dividence.... human corp have it, but most never use it, since the only shareholder is the CEO or creator.

BTW Ginger is the spice of life...
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#7 - 2016-02-27 14:45:00 UTC
Fraulein Von Katzenjammer wrote:

I am impressed by ... you ...



Why thank you Lol

Seriously, though, just think about it - what you are proposing is another ISK faucet...do we really need more money magically popping into existence, with no effort or risk on the player's part?

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Fraulein Von Katzenjammer
Norwegian Seal Clubbers
#8 - 2016-02-27 14:57:02 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Fraulein Von Katzenjammer wrote:

I am impressed by ... you ...



Why thank you Lol

Seriously, though, just think about it - what you are proposing is another ISK faucet...do we really need more money magically popping into existence, with no effort or risk on the player's part?



I could easily make more isk by selling overpriced goods in null, but Nullsec has become desolated and empty and i dont have the time to begin deleting orders, moving all the all the assest around, putting out New orders... then move to next marked toon and repeat and repeat. In the long run, its so f...... borring.... ergo i reduce my nullsec activities and begun looking for more longterm Investments.


and yes, why not have a addition "ISK-faucet" as you so humbly Call it, EVE has so many of them anyways... and the mechanics of the idea are allready in the game anyways...
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#9 - 2016-02-27 15:00:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Bumblefck
Fraulein Von Katzenjammer wrote:



and yes, why not have a addition "ISK-faucet" as you so humbly Call it, EVE has so many of them anyways... and the mechanics of the idea are allready in the game anyways...



Yeah, but just because something is possible doesn't necessarily mean that it should be done...we have more than enough ISK sources in the game, and something as completely passive and AFK as this is just terrifying.


Quote:
I could easily make more isk by selling overpriced goods in null, but Nullsec has become desolated and empty and i dont have the time to begin deleting orders, moving all the all the assest around, putting out New orders... then move to next marked toon and repeat and repeat. In the long run, its so f...... borring.... ergo i reduce my nullsec activities and begun looking for more longterm Investments.


Thanks for this explanation/whine, but it sounds to me like you just want a super-easy income stream without expending any effort. For example, why don't you try and find new markets? Why don't you invest in collateralised ventures in Market Discussions? Why not try and organise something with your friends? Any and all of these are good because they are most definitely player-focused and not some kind of deus ex machina manna from CCP.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
eBil Tycoon
Empty Wallets
#10 - 2016-02-27 15:40:19 UTC  |  Edited by: eBil Tycoon
Bumblefck wrote:
Fraulein Von Katzenjammer wrote:



and yes, why not have a addition "ISK-faucet" as you so humbly Call it, EVE has so many of them anyways... and the mechanics of the idea are allready in the game anyways...



Yeah, but just because something is possible doesn't necessarily mean that it should be done...we have more than enough ISK sources in the game, and something as completely passive and AFK as this is just terrifying.


Quote:
I could easily make more isk by selling overpriced goods in null, but Nullsec has become desolated and empty and i dont have the time to begin deleting orders, moving all the all the assest around, putting out New orders... then move to next marked toon and repeat and repeat. In the long run, its so f...... borring.... ergo i reduce my nullsec activities and begun looking for more longterm Investments.


Thanks for this explanation/whine, but it sounds to me like you just want a super-easy income stream without expending any effort. For example, why don't you try and find new markets? Why don't you invest in collateralised ventures in Market Discussions? Why not try and organise something with your friends? Any and all of these are good because they are most definitely player-focused and not some kind of deus ex machina manna from CCP.

Sign me up for ISKies from Jesus too. Let it fall down upon us from the heavens! P

But seriously, in the real world stock prices go up and down as a result of the profits and losses of those businesses as they operate. Are you asking CCP to also create mechanisms to simulate business operations for every npc corp in the game? How do we know that Perkone is about to rise in value? Did CreoDron just renew their federation defense contracts and will get a massive influx of income? Prices can't just go up and down with no reason behind it, that's not how an economy works.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#11 - 2016-02-27 15:46:48 UTC
Fraulein Von Katzenjammer wrote:
Any support for this?

Not from me.
We do not need or want a scheme where the EvE Space Rich can make even more obscene amounts of ISK for little or no effort, especially when the game would magically create this ISK from nothing. Even if the ISK came from other players by way of taxes paid I would still say NO. If you want money from a corp form one and start paying dividends to the members based on whatever formula you want to use.
Fraulein Von Katzenjammer
Norwegian Seal Clubbers
#12 - 2016-02-27 15:57:53 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Fraulein Von Katzenjammer wrote:



and yes, why not have a addition "ISK-faucet" as you so humbly Call it, EVE has so many of them anyways... and the mechanics of the idea are allready in the game anyways...



Yeah, but just because something is possible doesn't necessarily mean that it should be done...we have more than enough ISK sources in the game, and something as completely passive and AFK as this is just terrifying.


Quote:
I could easily make more isk by selling overpriced goods in null, but Nullsec has become desolated and empty and i dont have the time to begin deleting orders, moving all the all the assest around, putting out New orders... then move to next marked toon and repeat and repeat. In the long run, its so f...... borring.... ergo i reduce my nullsec activities and begun looking for more longterm Investments.


Thanks for this explanation/whine, but it sounds to me like you just want a super-easy income stream without expending any effort. For example, why don't you try and find new markets? Why don't you invest in collateralised ventures in Market Discussions? Why not try and organise something with your friends? Any and all of these are good because they are most definitely player-focused and not some kind of deus ex machina manna from CCP.



Well ure actually correct... the Rich just wanna be more Rich... not because we we need more isk, but because we just CAN and we HAVE the isk to do it.

But again, sometimes i get into my Philanthropic mood and Finance some obscure killing spree's.


btw... the most passive way of Income, is the sov holders and their renting.... so instead of barking to me, og bark at the nullsec sovholders :D
Fraulein Von Katzenjammer
Norwegian Seal Clubbers
#13 - 2016-02-27 16:01:02 UTC
eBil Tycoon wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
Fraulein Von Katzenjammer wrote:



and yes, why not have a addition "ISK-faucet" as you so humbly Call it, EVE has so many of them anyways... and the mechanics of the idea are allready in the game anyways...



Yeah, but just because something is possible doesn't necessarily mean that it should be done...we have more than enough ISK sources in the game, and something as completely passive and AFK as this is just terrifying.


Quote:
I could easily make more isk by selling overpriced goods in null, but Nullsec has become desolated and empty and i dont have the time to begin deleting orders, moving all the all the assest around, putting out New orders... then move to next marked toon and repeat and repeat. In the long run, its so f...... borring.... ergo i reduce my nullsec activities and begun looking for more longterm Investments.


Thanks for this explanation/whine, but it sounds to me like you just want a super-easy income stream without expending any effort. For example, why don't you try and find new markets? Why don't you invest in collateralised ventures in Market Discussions? Why not try and organise something with your friends? Any and all of these are good because they are most definitely player-focused and not some kind of deus ex machina manna from CCP.

Sign me up for ISKies from Jesus too. Let it fall down upon us from the heavens! P

But seriously, in the real world stock prices go up and down as a result of the profits and losses of those businesses as they operate. Are you asking CCP to also create mechanisms to simulate business operations for every npc corp in the game? How do we know that Perkone is about to rise in value? Did CreoDron just renew their federation defense contracts and will get a massive influx of income? Prices can't just go up and down with no reason behind it, that's not how an economy works.



Well yes..... prices of Stocks would og up and Down depending on their result, pending contracts, ect ect... in worst cases a NPC could go bankrupt and all assest sold off at auction.... from toilet-rolls to stations
Fraulein Von Katzenjammer
Norwegian Seal Clubbers
#14 - 2016-02-27 16:07:03 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
Fraulein Von Katzenjammer wrote:
Any support for this?

Not from me.
We do not need or want a scheme where the EvE Space Rich can make even more obscene amounts of ISK for little or no effort, especially when . Even if the ISK came from other players by way of taxes paid I would still say NO. If you want money from a corp form one and start paying dividends to the members based on whatever formula you want to use.


there are no formula ingame i would use in my corp's to create dividence.... and most my corps have only my own toons in them. The few corps that have other players in them, they generate their own Income... and its against its purpose and create lesser profit, if i make them pay "taxes" to the corp so i can pay it out again as divivdence...

".....the game would magically create this ISK from nothing" ---> see the alliances that rent out systems... passiv and Magic Income.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#15 - 2016-02-27 16:37:18 UTC
Fraulein Von Katzenjammer wrote:

btw... the most passive way of Income, is the sov holders and their renting.... so instead of barking to me, og bark at the nullsec sovholders :D



Nah, you suggested this ridiculous idea so we're barking at you Lol

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Lugh Crow-Slave
#16 - 2016-02-28 13:03:38 UTC
Fraulein Von Katzenjammer wrote:
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Again if it can be done by players npcs have no business w getting involved and there are already player corps who will take increments and pay out dividends


Would you trust any EVE player you didnt know? I wouldnt give ANY eve player any of my isk based upon th fact that humans have a Genetic defect to be decent and trustworthy. Ergo it would be much better to have a non human part to invest in. (or even a NPC Bank)




Wow is almost like eve is built on the idea of player interaction and trust.,topped of with risk vs reward

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Lugh Crow-Slave
#17 - 2016-02-28 13:06:05 UTC
Fraulein Von Katzenjammer wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
Fraulein Von Katzenjammer wrote:



and yes, why not have a addition "ISK-faucet" as you so humbly Call it, EVE has so many of them anyways... and the mechanics of the idea are allready in the game anyways...



Yeah, but just because something is possible doesn't necessarily mean that it should be done...we have more than enough ISK sources in the game, and something as completely passive and AFK as this is just terrifying.


Quote:
I could easily make more isk by selling overpriced goods in null, but Nullsec has become desolated and empty and i dont have the time to begin deleting orders, moving all the all the assest around, putting out New orders... then move to next marked toon and repeat and repeat. In the long run, its so f...... borring.... ergo i reduce my nullsec activities and begun looking for more longterm Investments.


Thanks for this explanation/whine, but it sounds to me like you just want a super-easy income stream without expending any effort. For example, why don't you try and find new markets? Why don't you invest in collateralised ventures in Market Discussions? Why not try and organise something with your friends? Any and all of these are good because they are most definitely player-focused and not some kind of deus ex machina manna from CCP.



Well ure actually correct... the Rich just wanna be more Rich... not because we we need more isk, but because we just CAN and we HAVE the isk to do it.

But again, sometimes i get into my Philanthropic mood and Finance some obscure killing spree's.


btw... the most passive way of Income, is the sov holders and their renting.... so instead of barking to me, og bark at the nullsec sovholders :D


But they ate brewing payed by players and getting that space was sure as hell not passive nor is defending it

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Zylona Femtov
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2016-02-28 13:51:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Zylona Femtov
NPC is already a dead end.

There will be no NPC when the Citadelle are going to be well established. Only few market point in traditionnal newbie systems are going to be left for stuff like skill delivery university and few other for BPO.

So all what you see in NPC's hands could and probably will be moved in hands of player.
So your idea of getting money without sweating your shirt is a dead end....

By the way, it's not a good idea or move and player with citadel are not going to sale their share....
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#19 - 2016-02-28 14:39:27 UTC
Fraulein Von Katzenjammer wrote:
there are no formula ingame i would use in my corp's to create dividence.... and most my corps have only my own toons in them. The few corps that have other players in them, they generate their own Income... and its against its purpose and create lesser profit, if i make them pay "taxes" to the corp so i can pay it out again as divivdence... ['/quote]
There's your problem as they would say. Get your corp involved in some form of a group activity that makes ISK and you COULD pay dividends. Because you cannot of will not become active enough with the other members of your corp and do stuff is not a reason to make a terrible change like this to the game.

[quote=Fraulein Von Katzenjammer]".....the game would magically create this ISK from nothing" ---> see the alliances that rent out systems... passiv and Magic Income.

To be blunt I have no problem with the rental issue, it is the game working as intended. Group A has something that group B wants so they sat down over keyboards and coffee (maybe beer) and came to an agreement between them that is mutually beneficial. Group A gets ISK and group B gets to use the area of space.
They key difference between this situation and yours are as follows.

PLAYERS in group A gathered together and went forth and conquered and control an area of space.
PLAYERS in group A took the time and ISK to set up the moon mining, jump bridges etc that allow them to control these areas.
PLAYERS in group B put forth the effort to take harvested materials to market in some form to make ISK.
PLAYERS in group B then use that ISK to pay rent to the PLAYERS in group A.

I am hoping that by capitalizing the word PLAYERS here that you will be able to discern the difference between this situation and your idea. In case you cannot then let me state it clearly.
Business ventures between PLAYERS or groups of PLAYERS is what this game is all about. Business ventures between PLAYERS and the GAME itself are not good.
Tabyll Altol
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2016-03-01 08:51:16 UTC
Fraulein Von Katzenjammer wrote:
Im currently sitting on a healthy sum of isk and ive invested some of the isk in some of it in different ingame "items" that have gone up in price the latest years. But i really want to spread my risk and i would love to buy shares in NPC Corporations that would give out annual dividence to their shareholders depended on the amount of Income after expences.

Any support for this?


Go and buy alts and start doing pi.

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