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Why is ganking profitable?

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Caesar Shepherd
Event Horizon LLC
#1 - 2016-02-17 23:42:51 UTC
Hello, new player here.

I'm a new miner and, I'm wondering why suicide ganking is even profitable. Most people use a Catalyst (or some type of destroyer or bigger). On my local market a Catalyst costs about 1.1M ISK (and that doesn't even include weapons).

If I'm mining in a venture, you could definitely kill me before Concord arrives... big deal. A venture is pretty cheap and I can't imagine that the loot I leave behind is worth the destroyer... (is loot in EvE randomly generated?)

If I'm mining in something bigger like a Hulk or Covetor, then yeah I'll drop more loot but your chances of breaking through my HP before Concord arrives will be a lot lower (unless you get a bigger ship, but that's also more expensive)

So why bother? I'd think you could make more ISK mining yourself or waging war in nullsec with your corporation... The only reason I can think of is if a corporation wants to hold a monopoly on ore/minerals. Do people just cause they're bored?

Thanks
Caesar
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#2 - 2016-02-18 00:21:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
ISK is not always the driving factor. As with all PVP in eve, no matter what you feel, just say 'GF' (good fight) after the deed is done. And if it was particularly one sided you might want to throw in a 'nearly had you', too.

Beyond that, the next step is making yourself look just as vulnerable as the first time, but through fitting or friends be far more ready for them the next time.
Paranoid Loyd
#3 - 2016-02-18 00:31:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Ganking is only profitable if the "victim" allows it to be. Properly fitting your ship and/or choosing the correct ship for the conditions can easily make ganking unprofitable.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Sean Parisi
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2016-02-18 05:04:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Sean Parisi
Driving factor for targeting mining barges is probably the disparity of ISK loss imo. Its less about making ISK and more about "My catalyst(s) cost 1-5 mil each and your hulk is worth 300 mil.

It is also just about power / getting kill mails. There are some rare situations with miners where it is profitable (some guy has ore strip miners or something). Otherwise if gankers want profit they go for haulers.

Edit:

To be honest I would actually say they should make tech 2 mining barges somewhat cheaper. Just my conjecture though; otherwise I would say if gankers really bother you - run a procurer / skiff.
Arla Sarain
#5 - 2016-02-18 08:37:03 UTC
Pretty sure market manipulation fits in there somewhere.

Imagine you gank a freighter full of moon goo or PI stuff. You get to withhold the delivery of this supply to the market, when there is a daily consumption and demand to fulfil.
Now do this several times per day, and you can get yourself a large quantity of this supply, and effectively manipulate it's release. Hold this share of items to be sold, you also hold the power to drive the prices up or down.
Of course this would rarely be discussed outside of inner circles and even rarer to be documented.

But if I had to overheat my tinfoil hat, I'd say every freighter ganked by CODE. is kept track of by Gewns, along with where the drops go.

I this a good conspiracy theory for the morning coffee?
ALUCARD 1208
Debitum Naturae
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2016-02-19 19:23:02 UTC
i can tell you code. do it mainly for the tears and tantrums yes they get stinking rich from frieghters but the miners tears are always forthcoming also FOR FUN
Irya Boone
The Scope
#7 - 2016-02-20 19:19:03 UTC
ganking is mostly about tears or to stay this system is ours Twisted


So why bother? for fun and to collect tears , tears = water and salt water in important in space .. and salt mandatory for bacon ..

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB

Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
Pen Is Out
#8 - 2016-02-21 04:34:14 UTC
Because people are really stupid, and tend to assume they're perfectly safe in high sec.
Scotchmo
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2016-02-21 22:30:06 UTC
Profit is not the driving factor when ganking miners generally.
Nalia White
Tencus
#10 - 2016-02-22 23:38:30 UTC
Irya Boone wrote:
ganking is mostly about tears or to stay this system is ours Twisted


So why bother? for fun and to collect tears , tears = water and salt water in important in space .. and salt mandatory for bacon ..


he gets it right. the reasoning behind it is... fun P

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Ragged Starkiller
Minmatar Secret Service
Ushra'Khan
#11 - 2016-02-26 19:07:52 UTC
Isk is not EvE. As much as you having fun in what you do, you are ok.

PvP is exiting, dangerous, - you need to know your enemy otherwise you are fighting blind.

Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2016-04-27 22:55:29 UTC
To OP : think of it as encouragement to get into PvP.

They shoot miners and autopiloting noobships just :because:. Don't look for a reason, there is none.

Getting CODEkkened is kind of your 'first trial', a defining moment for your EvE character. Do you rage? Code wins. Do you fkk mining and get your PvP on? Or perhaps you think "eyyy cheap kills- I can do that too!" sure, go ahead. You can factor in your losses (oh wait-- after insurance, you didn't even lose anything, am I right?) and keep on the industrial track.

Essentially, you learnt that Concord is there to punish, not protect, and are now presented with a choice.

Why they do it doesn't even matter - the question is what will you do?
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#13 - 2016-05-01 04:36:27 UTC
I sometimes suicide gank mining barges. It's not directly profitable (usually) but it's not much of a loss, either. It is more important for me to enforce my ideals upon these people. I want them to play a certain way and this game gives me a chance to punish them for not playing it that way. If I see someone AFK mining in a Hulk with no tank mods, it makes me want to shoot them because it makes me angry.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."

Jan van Riebeeck
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2016-05-01 06:14:18 UTC
Caesar Shepherd wrote:
Hello, new player here.

I'm a new miner and, I'm wondering why suicide ganking is even profitable. Most people use a Catalyst (or some type of destroyer or bigger). On my local market a Catalyst costs about 1.1M ISK (and that doesn't even include weapons).

If I'm mining in a venture, you could definitely kill me before Concord arrives... big deal. A venture is pretty cheap and I can't imagine that the loot I leave behind is worth the destroyer... (is loot in EvE randomly generated?)

If I'm mining in something bigger like a Hulk or Covetor, then yeah I'll drop more loot but your chances of breaking through my HP before Concord arrives will be a lot lower (unless you get a bigger ship, but that's also more expensive)

So why bother? I'd think you could make more ISK mining yourself or waging war in nullsec with your corporation... The only reason I can think of is if a corporation wants to hold a monopoly on ore/minerals. Do people just cause they're bored?

Thanks
Caesar


The right way to play EVE, is to play it in a way that is fun for YOU. Gankers enjoy ganking, so they are playing EVE in a way that is right for them.
Professor Humbert
Project Fruit House
#15 - 2016-05-02 06:39:29 UTC
FUN cannot be measured in game currency.
You can help the gankers to have "extra" FUN by providing them increased chance of picking up high value loots.
Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
#16 - 2016-05-03 18:51:58 UTC
The answer is, as many commenters have implied, is that the best profit isn't measured in ISK.

Ganking miners makes me happy. Forcing miners, mining corps and even whole alliances to accept the Code and buy permits makes me the hap-happiest player in all Eve. Educating some highsec denizen that they are, despite their years of on-line gaming experience, not an awesome winner but are in fact, just another, slightly smarter, target rat and that all that ISK they are stuffing in their wallet will never make them respected.... well, as the commercial says... "priceless".

The very idea that its just a matter of grinding away a fortune in the ice fields, investing that money into pvp ships and, presto chango, the former ISK-grubber now becomes a fearsome master of combat is the common delusion of the entire highsec community. Well, it won't happen. They are sheep and will always BE sheep. Helping them realize this is my reward.

Being a wolf among sheep, now THAT is profitable. Forcing other players to bend to our will, that's where we get paid. When a miner explodes the reward is measured way beyond the cost of what was lost and what was gained in ISK. Another player defied us... and lost.

You cannot put a price on that.



Highsec is worth fighting for.

By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.  www.minerbumping.com

Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#17 - 2016-05-04 01:04:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
I sometimes suicide gank mining barges. It's not directly profitable (usually) but it's not much of a loss, either. It is more important for me to enforce my ideals upon these people. I want them to play a certain way and this game gives me a chance to punish them for not playing it that way. If I see someone AFK mining in a Hulk with no tank mods, it makes me want to shoot them because it makes me angry.

How are those anger management classes working for you? Seriously, unless it's a bot - who are you to impose your particular play style on others? I've seen properly tanked miners ganked, too - so it has less to do with opportunity and more with players who just enjoy being dicks. Btw, there's no such thing as a "gf" for getting ganked...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Kaska Iskalar
Doomheim
#18 - 2016-05-04 01:30:24 UTC
Don't mine AFK and/or tank your ship. Problem solved.
Kaska Iskalar
Doomheim
#19 - 2016-05-04 01:33:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaska Iskalar
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Seriously, unless it's a bot - who are you to impose your particular play style on others?

You realize the same question applies to you, right? Why should someone have to stop PvPing because you don't feel like tanking your ship and/or actually playing the game? You got exactly what it says on the tin, a game with no safe zones. If you don't like it go play WoW. Who are you to impose your playstyle on Eve?
Calivess Avada
Nightlight Manufacturing
#20 - 2016-05-15 23:58:26 UTC
Imagine you're in the quad at your university.

To the left, you see a pack of nerds playing with their calculators. To the right, you see the offensive linemen of the football team talking to each other.

Suicide gankers are the kids with the wallet chains who say "Fighting is what it's all about!!". Then, they quietly slip past the offensive linemen, kick the sh*t out of the nerds, and then post status updates on their Facebook accounts about how tough they are.

So, it's really not about ISK at all. It's about compensation for insecurity.

PvP is out there, all over the place. And the above posters are right; there's no such thing as "safe" in EVE. As soon as you undock, you consent to PvP.

Obviously people like the now-defunct CODE. could find all the PvP they could ever want in low/null space. So, it's not about them looking for PvP. It's simply nothing more than schoolyard bullying. But now that CODE. has stopped hobbling and gasping for air, and has finally died, suicide ganking is even more of a rarity than it was before.

"Great job shooting things that cant shoot back. You're a regular scourge of New Eden"

-Lament von Gankenheim from CODE. in response to someone destroying their POCOs.

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