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EVElopedia shutting down on February 29th.

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#1 - 2016-02-26 07:59:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/evelopedia-shutdown-2016-02-29-09-00/

Guess that it makes sense.

First they removed the abbility to listen to the game's music with ingame tools.

Then they removed the abbility to get game help from inside the game.

Now they're removing the only company-developed information resource on the game functions and lore.


EVE Online: with no user manual! No ingame support! And now without developer documentation on any damn thing in the game!


Oh yes, the lore stuff will be relocated somewhere, sometime, somehow, yadda yadda yadda. Not a high priority, is it?

And they've been very careful to consider it before handling all relevant documentation and information work to players, too. It's not as if a software developer had any responsibility in documenting the software it releases to customers, does it?
Mag's
Azn Empire
#2 - 2016-02-26 08:08:55 UTC
Are you really surprised? Look at the whole forum debacle. Couldn't be bothered to port the history that came with the old forum, because :EFFORT:. That may also be lost at some point.

This is just more of the same. Soulless.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2016-02-26 08:41:23 UTC  |  Edited by: sero Hita
Mag's wrote:
Are you really surprised? Look at the whole forum debacle. Couldn't be bothered to port the history that came with the old forum, because :EFFORT:. That may also be lost at some point.

This is just more of the same. Soulless.

Well they do mention the alternatives:
CCp Falcon wrote:
With the introduction of the new Help Center and the ever developing Flight Academy project from our Customer Support Team, as well as the amazing (and far more up to date) player run wikis out there such as the EVE University Wiki and the Brave Newbies wiki, plus the availability of more up to date static data from the EVE Universe via CREST, we feel that the EVElopedia's life cycle has run its course, and it is now time to move on from hosting it.


It is not like you will be left with nothing. They said in the second last o7 show that they will expand on the Flight academy. I personally never used EVElopedia as I did not like the format and found it often outdated, for example finding the hull boni information. I instead used EVE uni, which is more up to date.

For an example compare :
EVElopedia
UniWikia

I know which one I find more informative. So I don't see the problem tbh?

"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker

Mag's
Azn Empire
#4 - 2016-02-26 08:58:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Agreed, lazy.

Also it's either bonus, or bonuses.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Arkoth 24
Doomheim
#5 - 2016-02-26 09:00:24 UTC
I'm totally against EVElopedia shut down.

Yeah, yeah, it's pretty outdated, but lack of users support is not a fault of the project or CCP team.

For two years i used EVElopedia from in-game Help menu when a was looking for quick info on some sites, object and lore stuff. Replacing it with 3rd-party wikias will not help newcommers to make their first steps in New Eden.

Really bad idea. If someone would be interested in making some sort of public petition - i'll totally support it.
Davos Seaworth
Seaworth Capital Expenditure
#6 - 2016-02-26 09:26:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Davos Seaworth
I don't know.. 3 CCP devs are gone... closing the wiki.... squeezing money of player base.... signs of a sinking ship, if I worked at CCP EVE division I would start throwing resumes around.
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
Brave Collective
#7 - 2016-02-26 09:39:55 UTC
These actually are signs of a sinking ship.


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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
#8 - 2016-02-26 09:42:33 UTC
Davos Seaworth wrote:
I don't know.. 3 CCP devs are gone... closing the wiki.... squeezing money of player base.... signs of a sinking ship, if I worked at CCP EVE division I would start throwing resumes around.

Agree. Hey, even your avatar looks really worried!
Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#9 - 2016-02-26 09:53:25 UTC
I'm constantly shocked at the fact that CCP seem perfectly happy to let players do their work for them. For example people have been using out of game fitting tools all along, it doesn't make the game look finished when you need to use 3rd party programs. This closing of evelopedia doesn't surprise me anymore, if the Devs can get a similar end product out of us players without doing any work then they'll take the chance. It's just a good thing we have had such a dedicated community because I can't imagine CoD players writing countless websites on lore and mechanics, and CCP don't seem to want to either.

I know this is supposed to be a sandbox where we make the content but surely we're not supposed to make everything else too?

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u3pog
Ministerstvo na otbranata
#10 - 2016-02-26 09:55:48 UTC
Davos Seaworth wrote:
I don't know.. 3 CCP devs are gone... closing the wiki.... squeezing money of player base.... signs of a sinking ship, if I worked at CCP EVE division I would start throwing resumes around.


If the ship is sinking and they are squeezing money, then why are they buying new hardware (TQ Tech 3) and investing in it? Employees come and go, that's no sign of anything too.

The game is changing sure, but you are not the first one to say "EVE is dying". Nothing and no one lasts forever, but the question is how long will EVE live? I just don't think it's time will come anytime soon.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#11 - 2016-02-26 11:13:11 UTC
Mr Mieyli wrote:
I'm constantly shocked at the fact that CCP seem perfectly happy to let players do their work for them. For example people have been using out of game fitting tools all along, it doesn't make the game look finished when you need to use 3rd party programs.
That practice harks back to the early days of home computing and associated gaming when games were left to the player to figure out, any instructions that accompanied them were very basic; anything more normally meant a primitive form of DRM like LensLok was being used.

CCP aren't alone in doing it, user created help resources are nearly always better than the official ones.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack

Jacques d'Orleans
#12 - 2016-02-26 11:27:43 UTC
Expected the usual "Eve is dying" and "Eve is sinking" thread posts.
Left satisfied.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#13 - 2016-02-26 12:32:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Ronuken
Davos Seaworth wrote:
I don't know.. 3 CCP devs are gone... closing the wiki.... squeezing money of player base.... signs of a sinking ship, if I worked at CCP EVE division I would start throwing resumes around.



3 devs of how many?

And do you know how many devs have joined CCP over the last year? Of course not, because no-one pays attention to that. They just want to whine and whine about people leaving.


In other news:

https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/evelopedia/index.php/Main_Page

Woo! CSM XI!

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Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2016-02-26 12:48:34 UTC
Eh, big deal. The player run wikis are better resources anyway.
Davos Seaworth
Seaworth Capital Expenditure
#15 - 2016-02-26 13:35:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Davos Seaworth
Im not saying CCP is dying. They just landed a big investment, what im saying is that they are cutting EVE Online resources and squeezing money from it to try make something else. It wouldn't surprise me that all that new T3 hardware is to push Valkyrie and very little gets used for EVE. Think about it... CCP the company is a one hit wonder.... after a while they just dont want to play the same tune anymore... But dont get me wrong I love this game and have actually spent a good chunk of my entertainment money on it i dont want to see it dwindle away. The amount of lore in there is significant and all that being swept away is disturbing... I think they dont give a f*k anymore about EVE and are praying for Valkyrie to be a hit.
Circumstantial Evidence
#16 - 2016-02-26 14:01:52 UTC
While it's a shame CCP has not funded a documentarian to follow the game designers around and keep the EVElopedia up to date, its an immense relief to know the state of the game as it was recorded there, won't be forgotten. Thanks so much for hosting an archive!
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2016-02-26 14:44:54 UTC
Davos Seaworth wrote:
Im not saying CCP is dying. They just landed a big investment, what im saying is that they are cutting EVE Online resources and squeezing money from it to try make something else. It wouldn't surprise me that all that new T3 hardware is to push Valkyrie and very little gets used for EVE. Think about it... CCP the company is a one hit wonder.... after a while they just dont want to play the same tune anymore... But dont get me wrong I love this game and have actually spent a good chunk of my entertainment money on it i dont want to see it dwindle away. The amount of lore in there is significant and all that being swept away is disturbing... I think they dont give a f*k anymore about EVE and are praying for Valkyrie to be a hit.


They aren't cutting a resource, they're recognizing that their own Eve wiki is incredibly inferior to the player run ones and instead putting the effort to maintain it towards developing new resources such as Flight Academy.

The lore is getting it's own special dedicated website. It's not as if its just evaporating into nothingness.

The new server is for Eve. Valkyrie has it's own dedicated hardware that should already be in place for the launch of the Rift in March. The games work in significantly different ways so the hardware likely can't cross the two anyway.

Of course they want the game to be a hit. I'd like to see it be a hit as a fan.

You're completely disregarding the amount of work that's been done to Eve over the past year and completely ignoring the major work that is planned for release in the future just so you can say they don't care anymore. That's your problem to deal with.

CCP has been a one hit wonder for over a decade and, amazingly, have survived. They even set a company record for profit last year despite the major investment into developing the VR assets (yes, they got a sizable injection of cash to help with that, but still).

I think that about covers it.
Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2016-02-26 18:10:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Droidster
The EVElopedia has not seen too much input and editing from players as far as I can see. I tried adding some content to a page and it worked, so it is definitely a functional wiki. There is a restriction that the person must be logged on and have an EVE account in order to edit it. You cannot edit it anonymously.

The information on sites (DED/unrated) is much better than that on the uniwiki so it is too bad it is going away.

It is strange that the company thinks the site is a burden to maintain. I would think a wiki would be kind of an auto-pilot kind of thing.
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#19 - 2016-02-26 18:13:02 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
These actually are signs of a sinking ship.




Agreed. If they don't have the funds to even maintain a single wiki, things must be really bad at CCP.
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2016-02-26 18:19:45 UTC
To bad but i can see why.
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