EVE General Discussion

Nah.

Ah no. But being outside means your undocked to get the intel you seek. Which Im fine with entirely as its not 100% intel. You dont at all times know who is all docked etc.

This is ironically more to do about neutral station traders that stay as alts and buy up and resell stuff expensively without any real risk or recourse, and THEN the intel issue docked/active/local. But yeah....

How is blocking the outside view and/or the list of docked pilots going to solve the issue of market price hiking?

That can be solved with setting up market taxes the same as POCOs.

Basic Facts (as of my understanding from all the dev blogs and posts I have read)

- Citadels will have the option to allow or deny docking to people easier than Outposts (at least that is what CCP seemed to indicate in their earlier statements). Therefore a neut will not be able to dock if you do not want them.

- If a player does somehow dock (either through joining and then quiting corp or whatever), if you set the settings right, they will not be able to re-dock once they undock.

Let's go through why this is not an issue:

- If a neut is in station, everyone docked will be able to tell. Therefore, you have taken the best tool away from the neut (location). A cloaky camper is dangerous not because he is there. Nor is the camper dangerous because he may or may not be at the keyboard. He is dangerous because he may or may not have a cyno/tackle with friends waiting to back him up. If he is in station this is a none issue.

NOTE: The watchlist changes will make the local intel that a cloaky camper can gather more useful as you can still find out where a super/titan is logged off via locator agents. and then park someone there to see if they are logged in, but in 95-99% of the cases, the true power of the cloaky camper is not that.

Conclusion:

This is not an issue and therefore I must conclude one of the three things:

- A lack of understanding at what makes a cloaky camper truely powerful (right now at least before the watchlist changes)

- A troll post - doubtful because if it is, it was very poorly done.

- A cloaky camper bait thread - I am leaning toward this and I already have someone agreeing in prior comments.

Don't let them in, in the first place.

No station should be spy free. That is like saying that any nation can completely ensure they have no spies at any given Naval Base.

Yeah, right.

Its not a matter of not letting them in in the first place its that its a dumb mechanic thats stayed over for a long time. You have your own station and you cant control who stays and whos there in your space?! That to me is highly stupid.

The reality is that we do it with clone contracts but not clones themselves or the players that just stay. You want intel? Stay blue and feed intel that way. You want easy access? Yeah its TOO easy when you can do most things by simply being in the system, which imo is STILL to easy too.

I want to get rid of free easy intel and make things a bit harder and I realize that everyone that uses that free intel will complain cuz people are lazy. And this rides on the heels of the watchlist change. Its easy FREE intel that needs to be nerfed to hell and back.

Boots on the ground, eyes on the target or **** off!! Do something to gather intel rather than 3rd party or logging in an alt to lurk for a bit in entire safety.

Ive done these same things for years in game and even I think its ****** to be able to do. I have JCs in enemy territory on multiple toons that I can use for intel and do these things and its absurdly stupid. Even watchlist and locator agents to find war targets is stupid. I understand why CCP did it; to promote fights and conflict and to ease the ability to find others. In that regard it is a game and needs to be easy enough to be "fun" for the dumb folks or else only the intelligent would have a competitive advantage and keep it over others.


But for me there comes a point where the game has grown well beyond the bounds of 5K users in the entire space or less and finding fights isnt and issue its more like which fight on which alt do I go to thatll have the best chance of succeeding and getting dank killmail whoring opportunities?

LOL

/me pees in Bumbles tear jar


Drink up me hearties!!



Was a convo I was having and wanted to chat about it to others you can cry if you want to... Im sure its your party.

I'm surprised at the /market reference in the OP. A neut doesn't have to dock to manipluate the market. A neut doesn't have to even be in system. Just anywhere in region.

After I left CFC, I continued to trade in VFK for years--remotely. I only recently sold my stuff off because Deklein is inconvenient to monitor from my new home in Stain.

There never was anything stopping an opposing Alliance from manipulating the crap out of your market. That is why most Alliance keep doctrine ships in corp hangers etc..

Yes I know exactly what your talking about here as I have done it too over the years. Its simply far to easy. If CCP really wants good markets and things done locally then this is one of the first things Id squash as ultimately you wont be able to control your own market. It makes the entire idea of building and controlling your own space redundant imo.


@Pandora Carrollon Im not talking about ejecting them into space. But the same mechanic as moving a clone contract but instead just moves the entire clone as well. So it moves it somewhere. You could even have it set up that the next time they log in on that alt THEY get to choose where they want to be moved to. Their home station, high sec school station, any station they have access to nearby, or like the new citadel death move to nearest low sec.