Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Dear CCP
Please make a little button in the market "my orders" window that says "Yes, I want to keep all of these order active for yet another 90 days and do not wish to change the prices or individually click on every order until I get RSI so bad my arm falls off". Text can be shortened as needed. Feel free to charge me the 100 isk fee for each item that is affected (but only when I click the button, not when everyone else clicks it, they can pay their own fees).

Seriously though, it's a pain in the backside that only really affects people trying to run market orders in low population areas (*hint* a good economy helps make them more populated) and it's annoying that not only do you have to do each item in turn, but then my nice round prices have to be changed to being every so slightly not round numbers, which makes me even more sad.

The March release would be perfect.

Thanks!

When you have as many orders as it takes to keep a station stocked, yes. 300 is bad enough, but when you have a couple of thousand to update every 3 months it's pretty devastating. It's just one of those silly things that there's no real reason to do and could be simplified without taking away what it's there for (stopping inactive pilots having perpetual market orders).

First things first: I'm neutral towards the idea.

To raise a counterargument though:
It would make the "expires in"-column of the market window pretty much meaningless safe for spotting NPC orders. I think fooling inexperienced players with "limited time offers" and/or maintaining 300 scams (the other kind of order that takes a long time to be filled) should maybe take some effort. I'd also at least tie it to the range of your daytrading skill so you can't manipulate things at the other end of the universe.

I have yet to read up on the reasoning behind length of an order not factoring into broker cost and why you can extend every order for 100 ISK regardless of price and volume. Seems to me like a huge ISK sinking opportunity was wasted there.


@Rivr Luzade: Yeah, an expired/fulfilled list would be nice.

Most scams move with the times anyway, with the orders being there to bait people over whatever contract you are throwing out there today. I should think far less scammers would be affected than traders operating in areas with lower frequencies of sales. That said, why should scammers not benefit too? Scamming is a completely legitimate part of the game.

The way I see it, it's not just about "effort" it's about how that effort is applied. Like how scanning used to require you to fly around your target dropping probes, then they made it so you can drop probes where you are and drag them around a map, and more recently they've made it so you can launch them in a preset formation and drag them to where you want to scan. Those are good changes, as they've eliminated the mundane "everyone must do this" parts of the task and all the additional input but retained the core parts of the mechanic.

In line with the above, yes, your trade skills should limit this ability. Only orders you could change should be able to be refreshed by clicking the button. I missed that out on the original post, but yeah, that should definitely remain as a limiting factor.

The order price of 100isk is because that's the minimum brokers fee you can be changed for an order. If you were to change the price of your order substantially, you'd pay the same percentage of the brokers fee on the additional amount you are increasing the order price by. To refresh the timer on an order you have to change by 0.01 isk (as you can't modify it to the same price) so you pay the 100 isk. They could I supposed change that to make the length of the order a factor in the brokers fee, but I imagine that would just stop people bothering to post orders for thing they don't think will sell quickly as each time they extended the order they'd be paying another chunk of the margin away. I think that's a bigger change than I'm looking at here though, I'm just looking at a way of decreasing repetitive input.

As I said above, the problem I see with that is you would be heavily affected the longer your orders were on the market. Effectively it would be punishing players for trading in newer, smaller markets. I'd be much more interested in seeing quite the opposite, seeing fees increase in heavily used markets to drive trade in fresh markets.

Well that would be the point, wouldn't it? To make people choose between sticking where they are and paying for that privilege or moving for their operation to make a saving. That's the same way the industry system works now with the system indices.

I think I misunderstood what you were suggesting then, because it sounded like you were suggesting that the length of time an order is on the market would increase the broker fee, and that refreshing the order would charge you based on the additional time added to the order. If that were the case, longer order would pay more than shorter ones.

It would be the same as the industry system. The basis would be that by giving people a good reason to spread out that it would encourage growth in more sectors of space leaving it feeling less empty. It would also allow smaller, more agile traders (and buyers) to leverage better fees in other stations, while behemoths would have to pay extra for staying put. Industry doesn't shift locations every few weeks, so I don't see why the markets would. To be honest, I expect this sort of thing to start happening when they rolls citadels out.

That said, It's all kind of far away from the OP, which is based around just getting a bit of an RSI saving feature in place.

Effort


The 90 day cycle is a non issue

You can sell multiple items, buy multiple items, but you can't update multiple market orders? Doesn't sound quite right.

AFAIK, the duration is there for two reasons:
1. To allow you to set up an order to auto-cancel after a set amount of time unfulfilled
2. To prevent people setting up an order, letting their account go inactive and that order remaining active forever.

For some reason, I am still in the mindset that the market should be more like a market stall - limited storage space, that we can upgrade through skills. ISK fees for renting the stall just like offices have fees.

But then it might just be me, and wishing that a lot of the older systems would be upgraded - not simplifed (The EVE Market is great with what people can do) there just needs to be some more modern control.

I use varied order dates all the time. Quite often it's because you know that you want to buy something at a set price for the short term, but don't want to run the risk of buying over the long term, so you set an order date that limits your exposure to risk. It's not all bout forgetfulness, external factors can come into play which prevent you being able to come on sometimes.

Active orders stay active all the time the character is inactive. They obviously get removed if you biomass the character, but being on an unsubscribed account doesn't cancel the orders. If they were to completely remove the timers the market would be filled with 1isk region wide orders for every item in every region, as there would no longer be a cost associated with keeping that order open. As it currently stands you have to pay a plex at least every 90 days to keep at most ~900 orders open.

Either way, I don't see a good reason to remove the time options and it's certainly out of scope of this idea as it has potentially wide reaching repercussions. This idea is simply a way to make it easier for active characters to refresh their active order timers.