Wormholes

Eh, sure it makes thing a bit harder but that's a good thing.
The watchlist never really made sense to work the way it did.

PS: could be neat to introduce something like a locator agent that could ping your watchlist and tell you who's online if they're in kspace.

I've used watch lists when hunting and have in turn been hunted with the assistance of watch lists and I think this is pretty damn awful for W-Space in general to remove it.

You see a Depot, MTU or wrecks on D-Scan but no ships, you can at least see if the owner is even logged on and make appropriate preparations. Now you may as well just move on to the next system unless you feel like camping the system for a few hours on nothing more than wishful thinking.

I know there are those that think it's game breaking intel, but I see it as game making intel. If you can't see them in local, at least give me the opportunity to see if they're even online.

All I see here is more hours wasted hunting those that aren't even there.

Yeah without local the watchlists can be really helpful, it can make the difference between sitting around watching a pos for hours or knowing that the pilot you saw warp out of there 10 minutes ago has logged off.

That said, I do know some players who constantly leave all their alts logged in while on an extended hunt just to mess with their prey and make watchlisting them pointless. In this case maybe getting rid of watchlists could be considered a coup for environmentally minded eve players .

It's definitely a mixed bag, I've used watchlists to get intel before, but it's not something I couldn't live without. Making people work for their intel isn't necessarily a bad thing.

What you are forgetting is all the devs and other insiders that have titans.

Citadels and the removal of contact watch lists is going to have a bigger impact on wormholes than many realise, as you are removing a huge amount of intelligence/situation awareness. All we'll have left is the equivalent of null-sec roams, but in wormhole space instead.

Newbros in herons on every wormhole and at every POS?

If i remeber correctly, we asked to be able to see how many people are online in the citadel when cloaked(show info showing who is online).
More info should be availabe when using a ship/cargo scanner on the citadel(in wich ships).
That would be a good example of befinits and disadvantages.
Lets hope ccp implements it this way.
Not sure if they even mentioned that in the devblogs.
Now we need to think of something similar just for finding people... .

It has been a while since I used a locator agent. But do they not provide the ability to let you know if the user is online or not?

A locator doesn't work on people in Wormholes at all, you just get some canned response saying they're out of the agent's scope of influence. So not only do you not know where they are, you also don't know if they're logged in.

Removal of watchlists is concerning as it removes another intel tool and makes time wasting more likely.

Larger concern is that we will no longer have ships floating in force fields after citadels. With no local, ships floating (after piloted verification) was one of best indicators if a wormhole was active and maybe gearing up for some PVE/PVP activity. If u had piloted floating ships it was worthwhile to put a scout on the POS to see if fun times could be had.

Content in wormholes is gong to be much harder to find after Spring.. We are basically limited to endless warping through chains pinging dscan for wrecks, rage rolling or seeding now..