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Project Discovery - March Update feedback thread

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CCP Paradox
#1 - 2016-02-19 11:05:45 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Paradox
Known Issues
  • New unknown samples will not produce a results window.
  • The XP bar may appear large or off screen, the required XP per rank has changed.

    • Hello once again space scientists,

    We have brought back Project Discovery on Singularity with some changes.
    For a quick reminder of what this is, you can catch up by reading these:

    You can find out more about Project Discovery at the website here.
    And also from this latest Dev Blog: Project Discovery needs you!


    Since the January mass test, we have worked on the most requested change asked by players.

  • Responsive UI.
    • You can now resize the Project Discovery window to better view under high resolutions such as on a 4K monitor. For those of you who wanted this, please let us know what you think. There are limits on resizing, so there is a maximum and minimum size.

  • Faster switching between color channels.
    • We load all images now at the same time, so you can change color channels quickly without waiting.

  • New classification categories.
    • As some of you may have noticed last time, sometimes there just isn't a good enough classification for the image you are looking at. New classifications can be found at anytime, and this has actually happened with Rods and Rings.

    1. Cytoplasm - Rods and Rings
      2. Rods and rings are, as the name suggests, rod and ring structures found in the cell. They are small but distinct and usually there are only one or a few of them. However, both shapes can occur in the same cell. Their function in the cell is yet unknown.

    2. Misc - Cell-to-Cell variations
      3. As the cell is growing and dividing it undergoes different life cycles. During those cycles the protein content and distribution can vary. Proteins can move between different locations, or they can be more or less expressed. This can be observed as differences in locations between cells, or in varying intensity of the same location in different cells.

  • Analysis Kredits.
    • This new currency will be given to you when your Analysis Rank increases. You will be able to find how many you have right now via a tooltip on the Analysis Rank, and we are currently working on a better UI location to display that.

  • Accuracy Rating rewards.
    • If your Accuracy Rating drops below 40%, you will earn half the ISK and receive no experience points. It's important to keep accurate. Additionally if the Accuracy Rating drops below 30%, you will receive no ISK or experience points.
    These values are subject to change, and we will keep an eye on the feedback provided.

  • Analysis Kredits rewards.
    • The Analysis Kredits you earn when ranking up, can be spent in the Sisters of EVE loyalty point store. This new currency is only usuable on new Project Discovery items in the SOE LP Store, and cannot be used for the existing LP offers. The rewards are now available, visible in the SOE LP store.

  • Multiple example images per classification.
    • Many asked for this also, as sometimes one example image is sometimes not clear enough. We are working on this now.

  • Flight Academy video.
    • To better explain Project Discovery, your role and help aid you through the tutorial we will be creating a Flight Academy video that will be available to watch in client and on YouTube.

  • New Color Channel filters
    • You can now set up your own color channel filters by selecting a mix of Red / Green / Blue.



    Thank you for trying out Project Discovery,
    -Team Astro Sparkle

    CCP Paradox | EVE QA | Team Phenomenon

    Space Magician
    Yadaryon Vondawn
    Vicanthya
    #2 - 2016-02-19 11:15:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Yadaryon Vondawn

    • Lundberg gone indeed
    • The tutorial sample where you need to select one of the two unidentifiable is bugged, you cannot select one of the two options (see bug report), meaning the tutorial cannot be finished :| EDIT: After about 6 runs I somehow avoided this image and completed the tutorial
    • Analysis kredits: Can they be used for special items in the SoE store or are they just LP? Because eitherwise it will, in the long run, crash the SoE market.
    • There is no explanation field for the misc, instead the unidentifiable text hovers over the misc option
    • There is still no explanation during the tutorial why a option was wrong. I highly advice to take all the tutorial images and offer an good/wrong explanation per option you give during the tutorial. Before the change I was about rank 50 and during the (atm broken) tutorial I misjudged a image. I am very much wondering why. Please go through the tutorial images and add a good or wrong description for each option so players know why they should not have selected an option
    • ISK still comes the moment you press submit, please change this so it comes per tick, just like ratting. The amount of wallet entries + blinking is extremely cluttering and annoying. (Yes those are all unique wallet pages...
    • Maybe it is an idea to keep a log of which types of images players have already analysed. If they encounter one they have never analysed according to their log, show them 2-3 example images and highlight what makes it unique
    • Maybe make it part of the oppurtunities system aswell?
    • There is not displayed how many analysis credits one gets after a submission. Instead it appears as if the credits are applied each rank. When I got rank 4 I had 404 credits. When I got rank 5 I had 702 credits. Almost 75% more. Then at level 6 I had 1071 credits which is a 50%~ increase What is this based on? Rank? Accuracy? I also noticed that on rank 5 and 10 the increase was way bigger than the other ranks. Is this intended? Is it possible to make this difference part of the tutorial to notify people of it?
    • I still some choices that are not just questionable but just plain wrong. The first day PD came out you @CCP Wonderboy said that was a back-end error. Is this fixed and are people just clicking wildy or is that bug still about?
    • Maybe it is a good idea to show for each example which filter is selected. Even better, let all the examples be shown with all colours selected as that is similiar to what the player gets.
    • Since this update I have come across some ]images which appear to have been photographed to dark (sample 160006432 or loaded incorrectly (sample 160022366) into the database. Up to 50% of the image is dark->almost invisible or just straight cutoff
    • This is why we need more example images. The colour intensity is similiar to a nucleus. BUT it is not evenly stained, it has holes in it. Thus it must be a necleoplasm right? But that example picture is so intense it is hardly comparable. Besides that I have seen examples where a necleoplasm looks exactly like the example and nucleus's that look the same as the example. So what is it? There are Visicles around aswell! Is it a nuclues or a neclueplasm?
    • Ranking is still linear, is this intended?

      • ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK 24-2-2016
    • If submit is pressed fast enough the top bar that indicates you rank progression will not update correctly.
    • Is the back-end code thoroughly fixed? Or is this still being worked on? Today I came across this. Now clearly according to the sample image that is not Mitochondria but Visicles. The 5 sample images on the Proteinatlast site do also not reflect that choice yet it penalized my accuracy. How can this be?

      • Oh and I am totally not addicted to Project Discovery and have really not analyzed over about 2500~ images (including the reset)


    Well that is about it I think as far as the feedback goes! I know it is a lot to ask but would it be possible that you guys respond to each point :)? I feel this is very much going the right way so far! Keep it up!

    Yadaryon - Fanatic provider of feedback, cornerstone *ahem* of the development of Project Discovery (Gogo Wonderboy & Paradox <3)
    CCP Paradox
    #3 - 2016-02-19 11:28:24 UTC
    Analysis Kredits are for special items only redeemable via that currency, it does not touch the LP items at all. We did this specifically to avoid the LP market for SOE. I will clear the text up in my post to highlight this more.

    CCP Paradox | EVE QA | Team Phenomenon

    Space Magician
    Yadaryon Vondawn
    Vicanthya
    #4 - 2016-02-19 11:29:29 UTC
    CCP Paradox wrote:
    Analysis Kredits are for special items only redeemable via that currency, it does not touch the LP items at all. We did this specifically to avoid the LP market for SOE. I will clear the text up in my post to highlight this more.


    Great! Is there a possiblity that you could list these special items in your OP? Can they currently be obtained on SiSI?
    CCP Paradox
    #5 - 2016-02-19 11:50:04 UTC
    Yadaryon Vondawn wrote:
    CCP Paradox wrote:
    Analysis Kredits are for special items only redeemable via that currency, it does not touch the LP items at all. We did this specifically to avoid the LP market for SOE. I will clear the text up in my post to highlight this more.


    Great! Is there a possiblity that you could list these special items in your OP? Can they currently be obtained on SiSI?


    See my post above, it's in the Soon to Come section! I will update when they are available.

    CCP Paradox | EVE QA | Team Phenomenon

    Space Magician
    CCP Wonderboy
    C C P
    C C P Alliance
    #6 - 2016-02-19 11:50:32 UTC
    I am aware of the bug with the tutorial, and working on a fix asap.

    It broke because it was not prepared for the two new categories.
    Makoto Priano
    Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
    Arataka Research Consortium
    #7 - 2016-02-19 16:04:12 UTC
    CCP Paradox wrote:


    See my post above, it's in the Soon to Come section! I will update when they are available.


    Will be very curious about this one. ;)

    Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
    Morwen Lagann
    Tyrathlion Interstellar
    #8 - 2016-02-19 16:22:12 UTC
    Makoto Priano wrote:
    CCP Paradox wrote:


    See my post above, it's in the Soon to Come section! I will update when they are available.


    Will be very curious about this one. ;)


    What do you think the odds are it's related to his screwing around when you ran into him on Sisi yesterday? :P

    Morwen Lagann

    CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

    Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

    Owner, The Golden Masque
    Makoto Priano
    Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
    Arataka Research Consortium
    #9 - 2016-02-19 16:40:14 UTC
    I'm sure he was just checking to make sure they didn't break anything. ;)

    That said, my guess right now for PD materials: SoE vanity items or Drifter Boosters. :x

    Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
    Shen Rajinto
    Sietch Tabr.
    #10 - 2016-02-20 07:22:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Shen Rajinto
    I suggest the filters be on/off toggles individually. It's much easier to turn the blue on and then off and again if you don't have to click around in different areas.

    Also, the ability to run through the tutorial multiple times would be helpful to increase accuracy without tanking it on actual slides.
    Yadaryon Vondawn
    Vicanthya
    #11 - 2016-02-24 00:16:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Yadaryon Vondawn
    Updated my main feedback post :)

    Also people please try out Project Discovery and provide feedback! There is way to few responders!

    Rank 100 <3
    Balta Katei
    Pandemic Horde Inc.
    Pandemic Horde
    #12 - 2016-02-25 04:36:13 UTC

    • As of now (2016-02-25T04:10Z) I cannot zoom in on the lower and right 8th of the foreign cell sample image. Mousing over from the bottom of the image does not make the bottom parts of the image visible. Instead the lower boundry of the zoomed section skips the bottom 8th of the image. Same with the right side of the image. There is no problem with zooming into the top and left sections of the image.
    • Identification of the aggresome over that of a microtubule organizing center requires that we be able to clearly see whether or not the small cluster of green overlaps OR NOT with the red. There is no option to only show red (without the green). Please add the ability to only see the red channel without the green.
    Yadaryon Vondawn
    Vicanthya
    #13 - 2016-02-25 09:34:55 UTC
    Balta Katei wrote:

    • Identification of the aggresome over that of a microtubule organizing center requires that we be able to clearly see whether or not the small cluster of green overlaps OR NOT with the red. There is no option to only show red (without the green). Please add the ability to only see the red channel without the green.


    It would indeed be nice if we could filter red only. But for the difference between a Aggresome and a Microtubele organizing center it is not really needed. The aggresome is more of a round/oval ball while the organizing center is a more diffuse collection of specks.
    Yadaryon Vondawn
    Vicanthya
    #14 - 2016-02-25 20:57:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Yadaryon Vondawn
    I'll wait for the SiSi patch tomorrow to throw out feedback but for now there seems to be something a tad broken. The options are gone when you submit your analysis. Rods and rings + Cell-to-Cell variations stay while all the other options take their leave. If this removal of options is intentional, please reverse it :) I cannot wholly put into words why I dislike it, it is not as easy on the eye(?) that sudden disappearence.

    Also the Analysis Kredit reward is slashed in half?

    It is nice to see the items one can buy with AK but I have a few questions regarding this:

    • There is only 6 items in the store. This seems to be a bit...few?
    • With the reward halved I now get 5K Kredits per level. This means I need to level three times at rank 100+ to buy the cheapest item in the store. This seems a bit excessive?


    o7

    Checking back tomorrow for all the changes
    Yadaryon Vondawn
    Vicanthya
    #15 - 2016-02-26 12:24:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Yadaryon Vondawn
    This post will serve as my feedback post for the 26-2 update.

    First off: The extra images help A TON, I cannot explain how much they help. So much is more clear now! This is a huge thing and thank you so much for including it!
    CCP Paradox
    #16 - 2016-02-26 13:19:04 UTC
    Please submit bug reports in game for issues you have, for example the two stacked screens and also XP bar. We have not seen this and would like an in game report so that logs are also included from your client.

    The disappearing options are in the known issues above, they will return we were just switching out JPG for PNG.

    CCP Paradox | EVE QA | Team Phenomenon

    Space Magician
    Yadaryon Vondawn
    Vicanthya
    #17 - 2016-02-26 13:30:37 UTC
    CCP Paradox wrote:
    Please submit bug reports in game for issues you have, for example the two stacked screens and also XP bar. We have not seen this and would like an in game report so that logs are also included from your client.

    The disappearing options are in the known issues above, they will return we were just switching out JPG for PNG.


    Bug reports send :)
    CCP Paradox
    #18 - 2016-02-26 13:42:45 UTC
    Fantastic thank you, I'm already on them :)

    CCP Paradox | EVE QA | Team Phenomenon

    Space Magician
    Yadaryon Vondawn
    Vicanthya
    #19 - 2016-02-26 14:26:07 UTC
    CCP Paradox wrote:
    Fantastic thank you, I'm already on them :)


    By the way, are there more items planned which can be acquired solely through Analysis Kredits? In your Drifter Booster post you stated that they can also be acquired through other means. This does mean that effectively only the clothing is unique to Project Discovery. I do not know in which other way the Drifter Boosters can be obtained but if it is to simple I fear it may lower the incentive to actually do it.

    Are there any thoughts going on about this?
    CCP Paradox
    #20 - 2016-02-26 16:29:26 UTC
    Yadaryon Vondawn wrote:
    CCP Paradox wrote:
    Fantastic thank you, I'm already on them :)


    By the way, are there more items planned which can be acquired solely through Analysis Kredits? In your Drifter Booster post you stated that they can also be acquired through other means. This does mean that effectively only the clothing is unique to Project Discovery. I do not know in which other way the Drifter Boosters can be obtained but if it is to simple I fear it may lower the incentive to actually do it.

    Are there any thoughts going on about this?


    There are more items to come. There is also no maximum rank or cap set in place. We can keep adding new items as demand drives it, and we will be watching this closely after launch. Feedback on rewards is more than welcome here, we want to hear from you! Big smile

    CCP Paradox | EVE QA | Team Phenomenon

    Space Magician
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