EVE General Discussion

You know you've won EvE when players wish you dead in RL. So I guess I won. Also got my name in an EvE Wiki. And single handedly caused a rewrite of part of the code. Devs have also taken up my design ideas (capital projection, no refitting in combat, docking rights in null, mobile depots...)

CCP should be paying me

Well, that is totally not cool and you should immediately report them so CCP can send interpol or whatever after them.

I appreciate your assurances and did as you asked and searched for some rules or comments by DEV's on confiscating PLEX. Yup, the search function is typical Forum Board poor, but perhaps due to that, wasn't finding any comments by DEV's on the topic, quite a few by players and claiming various things.

Since PLEX is equivalent to real money in some fashion, CCP would only do this if the player did something against the games' rules that CCP could absolutely prove. That PLEX is forfeit, regardless of how it entered the game and doesn't bear on the initial assumption of all of it coming in through purchased sources.

I'm not saying that you aren't right about them doing it from time to time, but I don't see the proof that your assurance is beyond questioning. CCP gives out PLEX almost daily and even fairly regular in high end loot if those rumors are real. So it's kind of one perspective against another, neither one being proof capable as to rate of injection/removal.

None of this changes the fact that not all PLEX in game is source purchased. Nor does it merit the use of invective against another person.

Where else did PLEX origin from beside purchases?

I have a take it or leave it attitude about the SP injection. If asked about the ramification, my answer is "I don't know".

But reading your post made me realize that now mission/incursion/anom grinding is no longer for naught. It's not just the servers that have hamsters in wheels: the players too. This means a massive ISK sink to move existing SP around.

What are the two things that have been amassed over the years? SP and ISK. ISK existing in two forms: actual ISK and PLEX.

What's the one thing a rank noob does not have? SP. But the noob can get ISK and lots of it.

For the min/max sperger it's feasible to imagine them getting into a spiral of sorts. It's like drug addicts who work hard just so they can get more drugs, but need more drugs because they work so hard. So it's possible the sperging crowd will get too caught up in this, running missions until they get enough SP to run incursions, running incursions until they can get super twinkboats so they can get more ISK and more SP through transfer of PLEX.

The only bulwark is then the limitations on the available pool of SP. How much SP does the average bittervet who trained up for say Titans and then realized they were coffins want to give up? How many PVP turned industrialists have SP they don't use?

Only the Shadow knows (that's an old saying).

Thank you for that link, it was enlightening. It actually supports what I was saying.

Equivalency is established once it can be bought and sold with real money. It just is. That's also the assumption and tool that lets people claim "$30,000 of spaceships blown up in an on-line battle". You can't have it both ways, be fake and be real. Value is a market determination based on perceived benefit. Even 'fake' virtual stuff has legally been shown to have real value. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/6870901/ns/technology_and_science-games/t/virtual-worlds-wind-real-worlds-courts/#.VsTXZv0UXL8

Yes, I heard the 'amounts' he was claiming. He talked about recirculating them, so that could be where a lot of 'gift' PLEXes come from but those are confiscated from RMT or other actions against the game rules. I didn't know they did that but it makes sense, the State makes money off of criminals, no difference here.

If you paid attention, he also specifically said they reserved the right to take corrective actions against market pressures, either intentionally started by players or just as a need to correct pressures. What this means is that they can 'introduce' more PLEX onto the market to control too much upward price pressure or put in game sinks (he mentions fees and taxes, but there are more) to make the product more scarce to alleviate too much downward pressure. They want stability. Introducing PLEX, by definition would support the claim that all is not real money purchase based. Central Banks do this all the time, it's part of their function.

Again, I never said PLEX wasn't from real money, I said and meant that if even one PLEX was created out of thin air and introduced into the game, the claim that all of it is from real money fails, it is a true/false analysis. Has it happened before, I don't know, I could be completely wrong, but that was also my point.

My intent was to introduce uncertainty in speaking in absolutes when we have no proof that it has never been done in any fashion before for any reason before because the original post I was responding to was someone using invective from an absolute position that isn't as absolute as claimed.

I realize this was done as a joke (and the owner's need for attention) but it does make me sad.

Before this buying of skillpoints - a pilot hitting the max would have been admirable and something very very special.

Instead it is now a sad joke.

Yes, some humans can do that to you. We are not perfect, sadly.



So it can describe how much things are worth in game, by taking amount of money you did pay for the item to CCP, and describing for how much it can sell on market in Jita, in ISK value. This is your "equivalency", but its the only use it can have outside game from terms CCP made, to protect the game and their legal status.

So this is only a rough estimate. Not real money value. Actually, legally everything in game, bought from CCP with real money is worth exactly 0$ every time because of terms you accepted.

In fact I'm pretty sure everything that exists in the eve world is the sole property of CCP. You don't even own the plex you bought or the isk in your wallet.

Give it up, people. That has been and will continue to be the response no matter how much evidence you present.

I'm ready to call troll on this one. Subtle and perhaps even well done, but a troll nonetheless.

Mr Epeen