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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#21 - 2016-02-14 15:35:00 UTC
Think of it this way, <-5.0 makes you an outlaw, not a flat out criminal. You follow your own law, which when it comes to local cops(faction police) makes you a nuisance and someone to be dealt with, the federal police (Concord) have bigger fish to fry thus ignore you until you knock over a stagecoach freighter, making you a criminal in their eyes. Innocent until proven guilty and all that...
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#22 - 2016-02-14 16:12:51 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Cunningham's Law states
"the best way to get the right answer on the Internet is not to ask a question, it's to post the wrong answer."
While I'd like to think that's what's going on here Im also aware we ripped him a new one the last time he tried this in gd.
Trolling in ncq&a will get your posting privileges revoked pretty quickly.
Ironically Cunningham is the father of the wiki, and wikipedia is perhaps the best example of his law in action.

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Jacques d'Orleans
#23 - 2016-02-15 05:48:44 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Droidster wrote:
The overview defines "criminal" (flashing red skull) as "can be attacked anywhere". Since a player that is -5 or below can be attacked anywhere they fit the overview's definition of a "criminal".


No it doesn't


There is a BIG difference between someone who is a criminal + someone who is < -5.0 sec status.

Learn the freaking difference of read Cara's post.


If you want to be an ignorant SoaB, then don't come here asking for help. If you know it all so well, why isn't it working? And why do you need our help to fix something you already know how it works?


Learn the freaking difference? His account is from 2004 and he is permanently asking stupid questions in the forum.
Either he has bought that char from the bazaar or *cough* anywhere else *cough* or he is just a really bad troll.
You decide. What?

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New Eden Tech Support
#24 - 2016-02-15 12:53:26 UTC
Bad Troll, remember nevil? Same thing just less subtle.

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2016-02-16 15:15:28 UTC
Droidster wrote:
The overview defines "criminal" (flashing red skull) as "can be attacked anywhere". Since a player that is -5 or below can be attacked anywhere they fit the overview's definition of a "criminal".
In EVE, anyone 'can be attacked anywhere'

For example, your 1bil tengu and your 700mil pod last Jan 7th in highsec.

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Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2016-02-16 17:25:01 UTC
Great, now we have hair-splitting lawyers picking over the wreckage of this thread.

You know, I often see at the stargates the message "[So-and-So], criminals are not tolerated in Caldari space." or something to that effect, which I assume is directed at people with -5 security status or lower. If true, that would seem to make me not entirely alone in calling -5 players criminals. GIVEN THAT THE SYSTEM CALLS THEM CRIMINALS EVERY TIME THEY GO THROUGH A HIGH SEC STARGATE. Attention
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#27 - 2016-02-16 17:43:51 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Droidster wrote:
Great, now we have hair-splitting lawyers picking over the wreckage of this thread.

You know, I often see at the stargates the message "[So-and-So], criminals are not tolerated in Caldari space." or something to that effect, which I assume is directed at people with -5 security status or lower. If true, that would seem to make me not entirely alone in calling -5 players criminals. GIVEN THAT THE SYSTEM CALLS THEM CRIMINALS EVERY TIME THEY GO THROUGH A HIGH SEC STARGATE. Attention


I like how you **** and moan about hair-splitting and then go on to cite a message that is basically flavor-text.

As far as the overview settings are concerned...

A criminal has a criminal crimewatch flag. This indicates that they have committed a criminal act eliciting a CONCORD response.

A -5 is a -5. This indicates low security standing, and does not incur a CONCORD response.

They are not the same colortag, and they are not controlled by the same filter settings because they are different things.

No amount of your infantile whinging is going to change the mechanical reality of the overview settings.

You asked a question. You received the correct answer. Fix your overview settings and go be useless somewhere else.

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Memphis Baas
#28 - 2016-02-16 17:43:59 UTC
So, you have a few wrong words, and we're looking at a 2-page thread over it. Why don't you just petition it and update your petition daily asking CCP when they're going to fix the issue.
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#29 - 2016-02-16 20:22:55 UTC
You know, if you all stopped responding to the OP he would probably get bored and stop trolling like this.

Droid - don't you have anything better to do with your time?
Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2016-02-17 21:03:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Droidster
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
You know, if you all stopped responding to the OP he would probably get bored and stop trolling like this.

Droid - don't you have anything better to do with your time?


I might ask the same thing of you.

Despite all the non-constructive hate posts, there were one or two posts that provided some useful clarifications which is what I was hoping for (and thank you to those people).

Since I am a trader I do not usually shoot people, and I would rather not find out what is safely shootable by trial and error. Since the overview has some oddities I could not figure out from the articles on eveolopedia and the uniwiki, I considered it a useful expenditure of my time to post here and see if I could get some expert advice.

That such advice is invariably accompanied by 5 or 6 put downs and insults by the usual flamers, I consider just a minor nuisance and well worth the information in the useful posts that try to answer my question.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2016-02-17 21:30:49 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Droidster wrote:
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
You know, if you all stopped responding to the OP he would probably get bored and stop trolling like this.

Droid - don't you have anything better to do with your time?


I might ask the same thing of you.

Despite all the non-constructive hate posts, there were one or two posts that provided some useful clarifications which is what I was hoping for (and thank you to those people).

Since I am a trader I do not usually shoot people, and I would rather not find out what is safely shootable by trial and error. Since the overview has some oddities I could not figure out from the articles on eveolopedia and the uniwiki, I considered it a useful expenditure of my time to post here and see if I could get some expert advice.

That such advice is invariably accompanied by 5 or 6 put downs and insults by the usual flamers, I consider just a minor nuisance and well worth the information in the useful posts that try to answer my question.


Thank god for lazy people like you CCP has implemented a safety button. There is actually NO reason at all for those who don't want to or want to play it safe to learn how flagging mechanics work anymore.

Leave it on green, click guns:

If guns shoot ==>Legal target, go fight.
If guns don't shoot ==> You can't shoot this person without getting a flag yourself.


EDUCATE yourself instead of making yourself look like a fool.



p.s.

Green = You can only shoot legal targets. You can NOT do any action that will result in a criminal OR suspect flag

Yellow = You can shoot legal target + you can do actions that will get you a suspect flag. However, actions that are giving you a criminal flag will NOT be allowed.

Red = You can do anything you want, but will pay the consequences of your actions, be it by players or CONCORD / NPC navies / station & gate guns.

This system has been in EVE for almost 2 years now IIRC.

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Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#32 - 2016-02-17 22:16:43 UTC
Droidster wrote:
I might ask the same thing of you.

Despite all the non-constructive hate posts, there were one or two posts that provided some useful clarifications which is what I was hoping for (and thank you to those people).

Since I am a trader I do not usually shoot people, and I would rather not find out what is safely shootable by trial and error. Since the overview has some oddities I could not figure out from the articles on eveolopedia and the uniwiki, I considered it a useful expenditure of my time to post here and see if I could get some expert advice.

That such advice is invariably accompanied by 5 or 6 put downs and insults by the usual flamers, I consider just a minor nuisance and well worth the information in the useful posts that try to answer my question.


You're a 2004 character saying you don't know how to understand the overview. Apologies when I don't believe you.

At least create a newbie throwaway alt to create troll threads.
Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2016-02-17 22:29:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Droidster
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
Droidster wrote:
I might ask the same thing of you.

Despite all the non-constructive hate posts, there were one or two posts that provided some useful clarifications which is what I was hoping for (and thank you to those people).

Since I am a trader I do not usually shoot people, and I would rather not find out what is safely shootable by trial and error. Since the overview has some oddities I could not figure out from the articles on eveolopedia and the uniwiki, I considered it a useful expenditure of my time to post here and see if I could get some expert advice.

That such advice is invariably accompanied by 5 or 6 put downs and insults by the usual flamers, I consider just a minor nuisance and well worth the information in the useful posts that try to answer my question.


You're a 2004 character saying you don't know how to understand the overview. Apologies when I don't believe you.

At least create a newbie throwaway alt to create troll threads.


I did not say I "don't know how to understand the overview". I said I did not understand why -5 players were not flashing white skulls as I had set in my settings. As a poster who actually bothered to try to answer my question pointed out (
Cara Forelli ), this is probably because of how I have the settings ordered or prioritized, something I had not known about before.
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#34 - 2016-02-17 23:05:47 UTC
Droidster wrote:
I did not say I "don't know how to understand the overview". I said I did not understand why -5 players were not flashing white skulls as I had set in my settings. As a poster who actually bothered to try to answer my question pointed out (
Cara Forelli ), this is probably because of how I have the settings ordered or prioritized, something I had not known about before.


Ok, but you do have to understand that your history of threads getting locked for trolling certainly makes people wary of responding seriously.
Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2016-02-17 23:10:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Droidster
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
Droidster wrote:
I did not say I "don't know how to understand the overview". I said I did not understand why -5 players were not flashing white skulls as I had set in my settings. As a poster who actually bothered to try to answer my question pointed out (
Cara Forelli ), this is probably because of how I have the settings ordered or prioritized, something I had not known about before.


Ok, but you do have to understand that your history of threads getting locked for trolling certainly makes people wary of responding seriously.


I have only had one thread locked (due to my post) since I started playing again around Christmas time and that was because I made a joke, not because I was "trolling". I have no "history" of locked threads due to trolling. One of my threads was locked because other people were trolling the thread and I petitioned ISD about it, so ISD deleted the troll post (made by Bumblefck or SurrenderMonkey, forget which one it was) and then locked the thread.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#36 - 2016-02-17 23:47:30 UTC
Droidster wrote:
[quote=Cidanel Afuran]. One of my threads was locked because other people were trolling the thread and I petitioned ISD about it, so ISD deleted the troll post (made by Bumblefck or SurrenderMonkey, forget which one it was) and then locked the thread.



Accusing others of trolling when you have admitted to doing this exact thing is in poor taste


As others have said, your cluttered overview is to blame here, not the system itself.

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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#37 - 2016-02-18 00:11:29 UTC
Don't trolll NQ&A.

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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#38 - 2016-02-18 00:12:01 UTC
Droidster wrote:
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
Droidster wrote:
I might ask the same thing of you.

Despite all the non-constructive hate posts, there were one or two posts that provided some useful clarifications which is what I was hoping for (and thank you to those people).

Since I am a trader I do not usually shoot people, and I would rather not find out what is safely shootable by trial and error. Since the overview has some oddities I could not figure out from the articles on eveolopedia and the uniwiki, I considered it a useful expenditure of my time to post here and see if I could get some expert advice.

That such advice is invariably accompanied by 5 or 6 put downs and insults by the usual flamers, I consider just a minor nuisance and well worth the information in the useful posts that try to answer my question.


You're a 2004 character saying you don't know how to understand the overview. Apologies when I don't believe you.

At least create a newbie throwaway alt to create troll threads.


I did not say I "don't know how to understand the overview". I said I did not understand why -5 players were not flashing white skulls as I had set in my settings. As a poster who actually bothered to try to answer my question pointed out (
Cara Forelli ), this is probably because of how I have the settings ordered or prioritized, something I had not known about before.


Of course, you ignore the fact that, instead of taking Cara's advice, shutting the **** up, and going on your way with your question accurately and correctly answered, you opted, instead, to dive into an infantile semantic argument about the meaning of "criminal" in which pretty much everything you said was materially incorrect.

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Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2016-02-18 00:44:20 UTC
Droidster wrote:
As a poster who actually bothered to try to answer my question pointed out (Cara Forelli )

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Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2016-02-18 03:48:28 UTC
If you don't like my questions, then why don't you get out of my threads?

Oh, wait, you can't do that because that reduce your opportunities to insult and abuse players with less experience than you.
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