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I read no such thing in the OP. There is a difference between a change having a known (and perhaps even welcome) balancing effect on ganking and a change being "directly aimed at nerfing ganking".

"CCPlease halp, miners are making smart choices and mitigating their risks". This is it right? BEfore they had no choice but to be hapless victims, then barges got changed so that smart ones can play smart and live, while dumb ones still die, and you;re upset because the target pool drained a bit.

lol?

Probably. Some people wuill always whine, that doesn;t mean that beacuse a handful of people are whining that anyone even remotely near them in terms of playstyle should be ignored. That's like saying if a bunch of fat greedy people take a drive to a homeless shelter demanding servings of food that you shouldn't feed anyone.

Same could be said about literally every playstyle. You're basically upset that you won't be able to chuck out a couple of disposable ships then roll around in money. What's funny is that you will still be able to throw out just a few more ships and still roll around in it, yet you're acting like you're having your playstyle crippled. It's barely a change. I dread to think of what you will be like if they ever choose to actually balance anti-ganking so it's a viable playstyle.

It's not though, is it. Anti-gankers can't realistically stop a gank, and there's no rewards beyond what they can extort from the freighter. You probably wouldn't gank if the only way to get rewarded from it was a ransom, let alone if it was highly likely you'd fail every time.

Lol, so anti-ganking is only terrible because they haven't buffed ganking enough?

The only thing that would happen if it became harder to move big stuff is that less hauling would get done. Nobody is going to pay a white knight for a fraction of a chance that they might be able to slow down a gank. In all likelihood they would be scammed, and in the rare occasions they weren't, even if the white knights stopped the first shot at the gank, they can't realistically stop them being bumped and all the gankers have to do is scale up the number of 2m isk catalysts and any opposition is irrelevant.

Players have stopped bumping and they have stopped ganks. They'd find it much easier if they put half as much effort and organisation into it as the gankers.

Didn't want the unstacking penalised resists to shield/armor eh?

The shield and armor resists are most of the reason to fit a damage control on several of my fits.

As a New Order Agent I am already used to educate people, so we will do this step by step:

In the sentence you highlighted he referenced two things. One is the buff, which is the increase to wreck HP, the other thing is the nerf, now what did he mean by that?

I am confident you will get it right this time.

It's the only reason I fit them. If CCP want to make them optional it's the shield and armour resists that need Nerfing not the structure.

Hi ya! Thats cool your MiniLuv. I understand the ganking of a red freighter. That happens. However on my side of things, I am unaware of what is specifically red to you. I wish I could read minds, but have not got trained that to 5 yet. ;) Though I have seen lots of Goons, Karmafleet, Code all roll together on massive destruction ganks. My statement, while not directly to you, but there are many of those who often gank empty freighters, just for the reasons I mentioned. That is what I was referencing. There is a great sound clip of a code FC that speaks to my point. I will be happy to reference that and provide that evidence.

Gankers control many aspects of the assault. Im no sure why this slight buff is a problem. As you said, you don't believe. This while by itself is not a huge option, but if the freighter has additional logi, and can rep shields/armor during this time, it can be the matter of life and death to freighter. Because just the other day, I saw a gank fail because the 12 man amazing multi boxer was not there (I am taken back every time I see him control that many ships, I give him props for keeping it all straight!). So the idea of a hull buff to make it harder, to make additional people need to be there for a successful gank does make sense.

This is a step. Fozzie mentioned that " these changes won't kill ganking and our future changes won't kill ganking either". I look forward to hear what those future changes are as well. Prolong bumping fix? Fixing the looting so the FY follows the loot, not just the initial throw away ship to drop the loot in the freighter. Making -9, -10 worse? Something else all together?

Either way, I agree with Fozzie, gankers will have to adapt to the new normal. Just like AG has to adapt to not being able to shoot a wreck (and its amazing how much that gets thrown around in local thanking CCP for this feature).

However, the fact that this started to be addressed by CCP is a validation of the problem . I look forward to seeing the progression of this!

Ways I know this thread is going places:

• Lucas is posting his opinions. Is there a single thread on the Internet that he has ever considered not posting in?
• Awful pubbies posting varients of 'u mad bro'