EVE General Discussion

yeah ... in a weird way this is a bonus. I have never been unsubbed since 2010 or thereabouts, subbing with mainly PLEX when playing and and when due to real life commitments I could not play I subbed with cash.

This time around I will be unsubbed for the first time in 5 years as it no longer matters, I can always use skill injectors to catch up when I come back.

Things have changed, Becca. That's just the nature of MMO development. Stasis is death for them.

But to cover some of your points. Not all industry corps get wardecced. I have one that's over 6 years old and never had a problem. Though it's not a mining corp, it's a building corp, so that may make a difference.

But as for miners...

Yeah, they get ganked a lot, but it seems to be only in certain areas. While I don't spend time mining myself, I do spend a lot of time in out of the way areas sourcing minerals. These distant corners of high sec (like, 50 corners just to confuse things) are rarely troubled by gankers. Most of the miners don't even tank as their losses are so rare they can easily absorb the odd ship loss.

As to the data core farming of old. It sucks to have trained those skills that are now essentially useless, but that change happened a while ago and we've sucked it up and moved on.

Other than COSMOS, I've never run missions so I can't offer an opinion on that except to say I still see a lot of 'elites' whining that mission running carebears make too much ISK. So it can't be all that bad.

I too have multiple characters training. Usually six with three more accts that I drop a PLEX on as I need that specific character for it's particular specialty. Four of those six are specifically trained for sale (No history, highly focused, neutral standing, full remaps, no waste, no KB, and decent names) and two are my daily drivers. I can tell you that as a character trader, I welcome the injectors. The profit from selling the type of characters I make has already increased substantially as all the crap characters are being sold at a premium for SP.

I remember as do you the pure majesty of this game back when I first undocked 9 years ago. I dare say that new players undocking right now get it even better because CCP has massively updated it's models and environments since my first days. I won't go in to gameplay as it's pretty subjective in a sandbox game. It's what we make it, right? Some years there are more dicks subbed and some years more world builders. But over all I still enjoy it as much as I always have.

Mr Epeen

Maybe I'm an oddity; I liked the old EVE, I like the current EVE, and I like where it seems to be going, too (well, specifically, with the proposed Citadel and carrier changes).

But yeah, they do nerf a lot of things.

Other games do, too. To name a recent one, Diablo 3 does it seasonally (every 3-4 months). If the character you "invested" 3 months in is deemed too powerful, they nerf it for the next season, making your armor set and build useless.

All I can say is, don't think of playing any game as "investing" in it. If you spend time, you should get immediate fun out of it, and if it's no longer fun, cancel subscription. Eventually EVE is going to close its servers, and then all "investments" are nulled, because we don't own any of the pixels in the game.

So, basically, I've had quite a few years of fun since 2003, and a few years off, and a few restarts with brand new characters, and it's fine.

Just unsubbed and I win!

2 accounts going for over 10 years each with mains at 220m+ SP each, had planned for them to be passively training forever as I couldn't let go. Now I'll keep a very casual eye on all things eve reinstall in a year or two, sub for a month, spend my worthless megaiskyzillions on some injectors catch up to where I would have been, unsub and repeat later again.

For now, my game overnight went to about 30 bucks a year.

I have always paid by annual sub, so that even when real life gets in the way, I am still giving some money to CCP, every little bit helps and all that class of thing.

I take the view that even though CCP do some stupid things at times, loot spew, greed is good, monocle gate and cash for skills - to get right up to date, I have always felt that I still get incredible value for my money.

The game changes constantly - sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse, as each of us see it.

CCP can never hope to keep their entire player base happy, but they do need to keep enough of us happy to keep them in a job.

I'm going to guess at this point someone in CCP accounting is saying "All according to plan" in a sinister voice.

Consider some factors for a moment:
1) Some have expressed their dissatisfaction with the intent to move from a sub to PLEXing, which provides CCP more money for the same time.
2) Others have expressed the desire to discontinue subbing due to the ability to catch up with injectors with their effective double cost to produce the same SP over PLEX, and even moreso over a sub.
3) Very probably not everyone who takes route 2) will do so with only in game earned isk. There will likely be PLEX injection involved.
4) The cost of the SP using that method also gets further exasperated by diminishing returns
5) All that old stale isk some players are sitting on as they move to these methods starts to circulate again

When it comes down to it this may be far more insidious than I ever gave it credit for: simultaneously monetizing both outrage and apathy (on top of those just happy to have the feature). And further, judging from some of the posts threatening the actions above, doing so while leaving the players involved feeling like they're the one getting the upper hand and making a statement.

Before you do that, you may want to make the numbers. When you got more then 80MSP a single injector will give you 150kSP. To get a rank 5 skill to lvl6 you would need 1536kSP or 10 injectors. That would be 6.1BISK at current prices, what equals 5 PLEX. So to get a skill to lvl5 that takes you little more then a month to skill, you have to pay 5x the subscription. Right now there is an access in injectors (about 1300 in total in Jita). The bulk of traiders seam to assume prices will go up. It may turn out to be a pricey gamble to stop skilling.

Any char that is older then 5 month and uses an injector is actually removing skillpoints from the game. That means the skillpoints you got will gain in value. You wont be able to buy something from that "value" ofc, but the argument still stands.

I see the whole skill trading thing as a sinister plan of CCP Games to trick the player base into running even more accounts.

EVE has changed a lot from the old days with respect to GVP. They really have it down to a science now. I saw one set of extortionists outside of Jita with something like 100 active wars going, presumably the various small corps that have not paid them. Autopilot is suicidal for anybody carrying more than 50M in goods. Kind of scary that just a few years ago you could not even jump to a gate. Imagine if it was that way now. It would be a sheer slaughter.

As a trader I always have stayed in a newbie corp for protection. In the old days it would have been impossible for me to do my job in a player corp due to war deccing. Although CREST and courier contracts have made it much easier to be a trader, it is still not a good idea to be a trader with an exposure to war deccing.

I am not really sure what the solution is, but it does not seem right to me that so many people like yourself are essentially trapped inside a station and under siege constantly by criminals trying to extort you for money.

I was introduced to EVE by a small gang of NPC nullsec PVPers. I set up this character and we went out to Denny's while the pod was set to autopilot through Curse. A Duvolle cloning station. I was told whether I was killed or not, I would end up there.

What hasn't changed but I recall very fondly is the sense of wonder when my salvage cormorant undocked, then turned to a random belt, and Aura would say