Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So had an idea for two new ships, both T2 variants of the Noctis hull.

1 - Like the Primae - specialised for PI but requiring skills, properly fittable with appropriate combination of high/med/low/rig slots and appropriate cpu/pg. Three bays: a small cargo bay, a reasonably large PI products bay and a command centers bay which will hold 3 or 4 command centers.

2 - A ship designed for ninja salvaging in hostile space. Cov ops cloak and a strong tank but less space for salvage.

good news both of your ideas are already in game \o/

how is the epithelial not specialized for pi transport?


and how are you going to make a t2 savager that works better than a prospect or a t3?

May I propose a counter offer and propose that they remove the damage bonus from the covert ops probing ships and put a salvager bonus on them instead?

That way that have a useful bonus instead of a not so useful bonus on them and we kill 2 bird with one stone.

This is the best suggestion I have seen so far in this thread.

The Primae is decent for holding command centers, but how often do you need to drop command centers? Not as often as you need to move PI. The Epithal is perfect for that need. And this is despite liking the Primae and wanting to see it as a more usable and producible ship.

There are already a lot of Cloaky ships in game but as eliatwo suggested: the covert ops damage bonus could be re-purposed into a salvager bonus.

I endorse this product and/or service. The t1 probing frigates get a 5%/lvl bonus to salvager cycle time. I'd be quite happy to see this carry over to the t2s.

Yes, we need a T2 Noctis with ability to fit Covert Ops Cloaks and no, T3's are not substitutes - they still have worse tractor range, no bonus to salvaging and cost too much to be an option even worth considering anywhere outside of highsec.
It doesn't need a better tank though, but it could have much better agility, so it'll be an improvement over Noctis in much the same way as Blockade Runners are an improvement over T1 Industrials.
Not supporting the 1st idea though - use an Epithal to pick up goods and any T1 Industrial to deploy Command Centers. It isn't the ideal option since you need two ships, but they are cheap as dirt, so it's still better than one expensive T2 ship.

I would LOVE to see a destroyer sized cloaky salvager ship. Something with med-high speed, 25/25 bay/bandwidth for a flight of salvage drones, a skill bonus to salvager range and cargo capacity and perhaps a ship bonus to structure deployment time so you can quickly throw down depots or MTUs. I'm not sure about giving it a cov ops cloak, but a cloak bonus would be very nice, or a skill to reduce cloak delay if not given a cov ops cloak.

A slot layout of 6/4/4 with 3 turret slots (+/- mid/high slots, possibly even trade one for another for balance)
Base cargo capacity would be ~400m3 with a max skill capacity of ~600

This would be perfect for salvaging in wormhole space, null and low. It's higher speed + cloak would allow it decent survivability and it's lack of weapons bonuses should keep it from venturing out of it's intended role. It would also prove a better more specialized platform than any makeshift fit from another ship including T3 cruisers. Further with a bonus to structure deployment it could be the start of a line of ore ships capable of quickly setting up/tearing down deployables or other structures which might be something we could look forward to once more structures are available.

1. The Primae is good as is. Could use a poke for bigger bays, but no point on Highs...maybe just MAYBE a few mid slots. But there's a ship to fill this role already. So it'll be either a useless special ship getting buffs or a industrial that already has what you're asking for.

2. Specific Ninja salvaging Frigate might....might be used. Another variation of a T2 Venture. Would be /cool/ but not practical as any covops frigate can easily fill this role.

I like this idea a lot.

I'd really like to see more use for those hulls because they are one of the best designs imo. How about something like this:

Dusk - T2 Noctis hull. Materials: 1 noctis hull, pile of salvage materials, other stuff. 8 high / 2 mid / 4 low. Can fit a "Salvage Analysis Core". Hull bonuses: Salvage success, Salvager Range, salvager cycle time. Special: when this ship is destroyed it can drop part of the salvage materials used to build it, but its wreck is not salvageable.

Salvage Analysis Core - High slot. 60 sec cycle. Fuel-using. Can not be activated in high-sec. While active the ship is immobile, salvager range is greatly boosted (total w/ other bonuses ~100-150km), when salvage is successfully obtained from a wreck while the core is active, there is a chance of additional salvage being extracted or occasional T2 pieces being extracted even from T1 wrecks.

This focuses on two ideas: content generation and a salvager that boosts yeld. Content generation comes from the fact that it has to be on field, it's very immobile, but when the core is running it's tanky enough that friendlies have time to formup and fight to defend it. Also, aimed to be a juicy kill with easily lootable salvage parts in addition to any module / cargo drops.

Boost yeld is self explanatory with the chance for extra / upgraded salvage pieces. Immense salvager range reduces annoyance / time spent on tractoring, at a higher price tag and need to be immobilized on grid.