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Opinions about the current state of The Eve Character Bazaar

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David Davaham
Deep Blue Logistics
#1 - 2016-02-14 03:20:58 UTC
Hello,

I made a post in the EVE Technology forums about a week and a half ago and it has gotten a little bit of a response, but since most of the people who visit that forum do not use the Bazaar, I am attempting to target members of the community who have, or plan to, used/use the Character Bazaar.

I recently started a project in which I want to make it easier for member to buy and sell their characters. The intention of the system is to allow an almost eBay fashioned bidding wars to take place in addition to tons of other features. I am not quite ready to release all of the details (because i am still coming up with them :-D ), but I would like to get some insight into features that the community would like to see in the system.

With that said, this system is not endorsed by CCP. With the strictness of the bazaar that they have, I could spend two months working on this just to have them turn shut it down, and by that I mean that the system cannot function within the rules of the Bazaar if CCP will not support it. But that is a risk I am willing to take because the entire project is serving as a learning tool for me. I have created a three option poll that i would like anybody who is willing to answer.

Link to Poll: http://www.poll-maker.com/poll572900x4b704B5c-24

Please vote on that poll and comment here about how you voted

Thank You,
David Davaham

Developer of EVEmail

Pix Severus
Empty You
#2 - 2016-02-14 03:51:52 UTC
I voted yes, but to keep it on the forums, as selling characters helps to increase forum traffic. I'm sure that there could be some way to improve the bidding mechanic within the forum software.

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David Davaham
Deep Blue Logistics
#3 - 2016-02-14 03:58:48 UTC  |  Edited by: David Davaham
Pix Severus wrote:
I voted yes, but to keep it on the forums, as selling characters helps to increase forum traffic. I'm sure that there could be some way to improve the bidding mechanic within the forum software.


The only mechanic that i can see being improved is that they actually email us when a new post is posted. I hate logging in just to find out that somebody replied to my post hours ago.

Developer of EVEmail

Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#4 - 2016-02-14 04:02:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
I doubt you would be shut down as long as the actual trade was still conducted through the forum. The rules around the actual transfer of characters would need to be as strict as ever but an external site to help finalise a price would be fine.

http://www.evecharactersearch.com/ is fantastic for anyone looking for a character btw.

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David Davaham
Deep Blue Logistics
#5 - 2016-02-14 04:17:13 UTC
Zappity wrote:
I doubt you would be shut down as long as the actual trade was still conducted through the forum. The rules around the actual transfer of characters would need to be as strict as ever but an external site to help finalise a price would be fine.

http://www.evecharactersearch.com/ is fantastic for anyone looking for a character btw.


Thank You for your support. I have viewed that website. It is actually my inspiration for the project. To take what that website does, and improve it.

Major Differences is that my project utilizes part of the XML API. To my knowledge, that site scrapes the forum for its data.

Developer of EVEmail

Ibutho Inkosi
Doomheim
#6 - 2016-02-14 11:50:38 UTC
The character bazaar is a cluster f*ck. Using a forum section as a market? What genius dreamed this up? Then, a spam rule...don't "bump" your post for ever so many ... I tell yah. I put a toon on it. Endured it for three days, then derezzed the toon.

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Avvy
Doomheim
#7 - 2016-02-14 11:56:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
I thought one of the reasons for sp injectors was so that they could do away with the bazaar.

Moving an out of game process into the game.
David Davaham
Deep Blue Logistics
#8 - 2016-02-14 18:24:13 UTC
Avvy wrote:
I thought one of the reasons for sp injectors was so that they could do away with the bazaar.

Moving an out of game process into the game.


Even if the Character Bazaar was done away with, I am pretty sure the ability to Transfer Characters between account for a price would remain, thus allowing for something bazaar themed to rise from the ashes

Developer of EVEmail

Avvy
Doomheim
#9 - 2016-02-14 18:29:25 UTC
David Davaham wrote:
Avvy wrote:
I thought one of the reasons for sp injectors was so that they could do away with the bazaar.

Moving an out of game process into the game.


Even if the Character Bazaar was done away with, I am pretty sure the ability to Transfer Characters between account for a price would remain, thus allowing for something bazaar themed to rise from the ashes



You can already transfer characters between your accounts.

So there is no need for selling characters, just extract and sell the sp. Also what would be the point of trying to put the process in-game if all you end up doing is making another out of game process.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#10 - 2016-02-14 18:54:57 UTC
Avvy wrote:
I thought one of the reasons for sp injectors was so that they could do away with the bazaar.

Moving an out of game process into the game.
I believe I saw something mentioned about doing that from a CCP source, but I don't see it happening any time soon.

From a purely pragmatic perspective, CCP would be shooting themselves in the foot by removing the hundreds of thousands of dollars in transfer fees that they currently get. And from a player perspective, pre-made characters will always be cheaper than the equivalent made with injectors.

There's the long route to gaining SP using only time and implants. The instant but expensive route with injectors. And the middle ground of letting someone else train for you and buying that character on the bazaar for a reasonable price.

They all have their place, in my opinion.

Mr Epeen Cool
Pirate Aussie
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2016-02-14 21:21:21 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
I voted yes, but to keep it on the forums, as selling characters helps to increase forum traffic. I'm sure that there could be some way to improve the bidding mechanic within the forum software.


Not only that, but doing any type of auctions off-forums could be--and often is--construed as a violation of the EULA. It's not uncommon for the seller to see a suspension/ban for doing it. On top of that, if you sell the character, the buyer has no actual recourse if it turns into a scam.
David Davaham
Deep Blue Logistics
#12 - 2016-02-14 22:05:30 UTC
Pirate Aussie wrote:
Pix Severus wrote:
I voted yes, but to keep it on the forums, as selling characters helps to increase forum traffic. I'm sure that there could be some way to improve the bidding mechanic within the forum software.


Not only that, but doing any type of auctions off-forums could be--and often is--construed as a violation of the EULA. It's not uncommon for the seller to see a suspension/ban for doing it. On top of that, if you sell the character, the buyer has no actual recourse if it turns into a scam.


I am glad this topic was brought up. The system that i am coding is very limited in what you can actually do to modify the data. Other than a Ad Title and Description, and the starting bid and buyout prices, the users will have no interaction the actual data. Actually, those four values will be the only data that the seller will be able to write to the database except for the API Information for the Char being sold at the beginning of the process. The ability to scam will be almost nill. The validation will be tight, you must be able to provide a very specific API Key in order for the system to work. This rules out former Corporation CEO's from using you Full API Key to try to scam the system. We do not accept full API Keys. The system does not use Eveboard either so that CEO trying to use that method has be X'd out as well. I wrote a script that does the same thing that Eve Board does utilizing a very specifically formatted API Key because I do not want ANY suspicion as to what we are trying to do here.

As for the trading of real world money. I have no control over that. The system will not be coded to accept real world money at all except for possible donations for the maintaining of the hosting account. That is all.

These are just few of the things that the system has the capability of doing. I will be request Tester within the week for some dummy transactions to see what the overall opinion of the system is. From there, we will see what happens.

If i have not addressed something, please let me know. Thank You

Developer of EVEmail

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#13 - 2016-02-14 22:10:36 UTC
The Bazaar should just be shut down now we have SP injectors. We needed a trading system to combat gold sellers, but now we have SP injectors we don't need both, and the SP injector system keeps a character name always with the same player so you don't have to worry about characters changing hands behind the scene.
Scotchmo
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2016-02-14 22:36:00 UTC
Since prices have rose to parity with SP injectors it seems useless now.

I suppose for very large SP trades there will be a small market due to less diminishing returns.

Way late on tools for the Bazaar I'm afraid.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#15 - 2016-02-14 23:18:12 UTC
Bazaar will remain relevant.

A 25m SP dreadnought pilot costs around 40b with injectors. You can buy one for much less than that on the bazaar.

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David Davaham
Deep Blue Logistics
#16 - 2016-02-14 23:28:20 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Bazaar will remain relevant.

A 25m SP dreadnought pilot costs around 40b with injectors. You can buy one for much less than that on the bazaar.



Thank You. I do not have any experience with skill injectors right now, but from what i have heard, it is a lot more expensive to the go the skill injector route. The ONLY benefit I see from that route is you still have a pick over the name and look of the character as opposed to not having those options when purchasing a character

Developer of EVEmail

Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#17 - 2016-02-15 00:18:20 UTC
SP injectors have effectively put a floor on prices for bad characters plus made low SP, focused characters more difficult to trade at a profit. High SP, non-miner characters will retain their value.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

ISD Atomic Dove
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#18 - 2016-02-15 08:18:59 UTC
Hi David,

Please note below is purely my personal opinion on the matter and not reflective of ISD's and/or CCP.

As a prolific historical user, abuser and multi user of the CB both in my gaming career and now in a moderation position I believe there are many aspects that could certainly be improved upon but given the current systems inherent link to character information and forum we are in a bind as to possible improvements to make.

It is certainly an interesting idea and would love to see what could be done but i would highly recommend that you fire a support ticket a GM's way and get a feeler for an official CCP response here! (note rule 10. "Posting of private CCP communication is prohibited.")

Best of luck!

ISD Atomic Dove

Lieutenant

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

David Davaham
Deep Blue Logistics
#19 - 2016-02-15 09:38:22 UTC
ISD Atomic Dove wrote:
Hi David,

Please note below is purely my personal opinion on the matter and not reflective of ISD's and/or CCP.

As a prolific historical user, abuser and multi user of the CB both in my gaming career and now in a moderation position I believe there are many aspects that could certainly be improved upon but given the current systems inherent link to character information and forum we are in a bind as to possible improvements to make.

It is certainly an interesting idea and would love to see what could be done but i would highly recommend that you fire a support ticket a GM's way and get a feeler for an official CCP response here! (note rule 10. "Posting of private CCP communication is prohibited.")

Best of luck!



Thank you for that input sir. I have already taken your suggestion to heart. Earlier this evening I submitted a support ticket. Hopefully CCP Is favoring my idea. I have made a lot of progress and actually very close to a presentable product.

I am planning on request test users here in the next few days.

DDavaham

Developer of EVEmail

Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#20 - 2016-02-15 10:11:03 UTC
I'd wager character bazaar will stick around as a cheaper way of selling a large amount of skill points. Moving 100m SP via extractors is a whole lot of $$$ on AUR to CCP. I've never used the bazaar but I believe the transfer cost is 2 plex, which is much much cheaper than all those extractors.

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