EVE General Discussion

I'm stuck between worlds, muh stats people are boring and do stupid things to avoid losses, like killing their own to deny killmails? Then there's the lol-killmails failures who for some reason won't even try to do something well.
I log on to have fun, the fun spikes in my time don't match kb stats at all.
High isk efficiency is when i've been in a blob, lowest efficiency is solo. The blob work changes the map and leads to money and being in the big pack, solo work gives me the heart-pounding shakes from hunting. While sitting at a desk!
I need both fun and competence, stuck between worlds i tells ya.

Given goons are being praised with his stats as "good" I don't know what your complaining about? unless you really do want to continue with the line "we are bad at eve" just so you can troll the folks you wipe out...cos if your bad what are they?

Turns out goons aren't bad at eve and your alot better then NC your "leet" arch nemesis. Also monkeys are bad... well we knew that too right?

Well, according to the statistic, we are just slightly in the "good" territory. But that's not at all what I am complaining about. I am merely asking why he thinks killboard stats matter. According to his statistic, I can see no correlation of any sort that would support anything but "lol, killboards".

As for NC. - when we call them "elite" it's never been because they are actually any good, but because they tend to care about being good.

Edit: On a different note - Most of us are terrible combat pilots, believe it or not. It just doesn't matter except in the Alliance Tournament. Hence our glorious track record in that regard.

Here's a straight up simple FACT:

Ginnie has zero kills and zero losses. I'm not even on killboard!

There wouldn't be much left, don't you think?

Killboards are overrated. They are inflated in various ways and do not really show someones pvp ability. They do however make great intelligence tools. Its like people give you free intel on what they fly and how they set it up.

Most pvp is lopsided, Many people KM whore, gankers and wardeccers have KBs that show a high number of kills but against targets that require very little skill or effort. People place way more relevance in KBs than should be.

Killmail whores are removed from my analysis, that's the point. If you do a potshot with 0.01% damage, enjoy your 10K ISK booked!

Indeed most PvP is lopsided, but that's exactly what's EVE about. If you are able to set up a trap where your enemies are outnumbered 5:1, you are more "skilled" than the pilot who can win 1:2. That's what "killboards don't matter" people don't understand. It's TRUE that killboard don't correlate with piloting skill. But piloting skill doesn't matter, trapsetting (well measured by killboards) matter.

This is the actually important bit. Given how easy it is to avoid PVP in Eve, most kills would not happen at all but for the initial tackler. Cooperation with other players is an important part of getting kills "in the wild" - rather than arranged fights.

That's only one type of killmail whore and they are reduced, not removed. 0.01% damage on an expensive ship is still quite a bit for a ship that was irrelevant to the fight. That's still 10m damager per billion of target ship going to a pilot who had no influence on the battle.

But if you go after a player who has no ability to defend themselves, that doesn't make you better than a pilot who chooses to only go after tough targets, but the killboards would show them as such. In reality that second pilot would destroy you if it came to a fight as they are competent enough to win fights against strong opponents, while you are used to oneshotting plex carrying shuttles and such.

No, but "elite PvP" is totally irrelevant in EVE. If you want to win in a fair fight by superior skill, you are playing the wrong game.
EVE is a strategy game, played with and for resources. A player who can catch an expensive hauler causes much more damage to the enemy than the "elite PvP-er" who kills hundreds of enemy frigs and T1 cruisers.