EVE General Discussion

Get big brother Matt in to help you.

I get that, and I have nothing at all against grouping up. It's a good thing. It's just...

Gate camping, for instance, seems to be *way* too easy. There are ways around it obviously, but that's not really an answer in my opinion. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it doesn't seem possible for a fleet of 10 or so people (in comparable ships) to blast their way through a gate camp.

It's just part of the whole Rock-Paper-Scissors thing. You can fly a Carrier with a million effective hitpoints. But then you are slow and big and may get swarmed by opponents before you can even try to get away. You can fly a frigate that is fast and nigh uncatchable, but then you are papertanked and will die to a single lucky smartbomb pulse. Or you can fly anything inbetween.

Both the frigate and the carrier have strong defenses, but not of the same type. The frigates defense consists of being fast and small, and therefore hard to catch and equally hard to hit. The carriers defense consists of having lots of hitpoints and repping power. Both can work very well, if applied correctly.

There are also ships specifically made to escape gatecamps, or at least ships that can do just that exceptionally well. Interceptors and Cloaky-nullified T3 Cruisers are the most notable ones. If you are just starting out, you will probably not have access to either one yet. but even if you had - for having the ability to crash gatecamps, you will have to make other sacrifices. There is no ship that can do everything in Eve, but you can specialize to do almost anything very well. In your case for example: You will not be able to make a ship that can safely travel through low sec gate camps AND tank the belt rats AND can mine really well. You will have to make sacrifices and specialize (and ideally find some friends who can do, what you cannot).

If you would like to make a ship that can get through *most* gatecamps early on, consider focusing on navigation skills for a bit and getting your align time below 2 seconds. Once you reach that, at least in lowsec you will be nigh-uncatchable. The only thing that will still reliably be able to kill you is a smartbomber you blindly warp or jump into. But after a while, you will know where they typically hang out and avoid them.

PS: Maybe it would also be smart to avoid Tama for the time being. ;)

You've lost a retriever, a shuttle, a venture, and a nereus. The shuttle is... a shuttle, and your retriever and nereus were prayer-tanked.

You really have no qualified basis for your opinion.

I used to fight in RL.

Your first few fights are a blur, win or lose. They are over so fast you are often left wondering wtf just happened. After a while your mind catches up to the speed of the tempo of the fight and suddenly it starts getting long on occasion. Eve is very much like this with smaller ship combat. The set up is much more important than the actual time when the fists start flying.

Larger ship classes and more ehp do help most times but as you fight you will learn and things will change within your perspective of long and short. But yes there will still be the blap your dead issue even later on.

First, I wasn't complaining.

Second, say something that contributes to the discussion or STFU.

I peeked at the OP's killboard and I have to agree.

- That Retriever you lost to a Catalyst had minimal tank and had expensive mods fitted.
Pro-tips;
------------ those 2 rigs (the hull and shield ones) you had fitted were insufficient and did not synergize well with each other. Choose one tanking style and fit your ship around it.
------------ A Damage Control is HIGHLY advised.
------------ Orbiting something (anything) can potentially mitigate some incoming damage by making it harder to apply full damage.

- The Venture loss to that gatecamp looks like it was simply bad luck.
Next time, try not to take the "shortest route" to your destination and fit more for agility (you are aiming for ~2 align times). You can refit at a station once you are deeper in low-sec (and away from gatecamps)
And yes... there is always a "back road" that sees little traffic.
Moreover, the Venture is not really designed to fight. It is designed to be "slippery."

- Your Hauler loss to that Deimos... euhhhhhhh... there is a lot wrong with that one. Your lows slots are all over the place.
And expecting a semi-truck to last very long against (what is essentially) a fully armed tank is a little silly.

What everyone is getting at is you do not really have the skills nor experience to assess that there are few or no defensive options available. Eve is a game that uses the " school of hard knocks".

Some things youwill need to learn:
1) Do not put yourself in pvp situations unless you want to be in pvp situations. Lowsec, in which almost all of your ships were lost , is always a pvp situation. When you enter lowsec be prepared for players to always be trying to kill you.
2) Intel is everything. For example if you did a little route research you would of learned that Tama is one of the most dangerous systems in all of EVE. Enemy Null space is safer than Tama.
3) You will have to learn game mechanics. Learn when and where people are allowed to shoot you. Learn about baiting. That highsec is safer but its still not safe. ( NBSI Null is actually safer, someone is either friend or enemy)
4) You lack both experience and skills to actually defend against anyone that wants to kill you so its best to stick to number 1 for now unless you want to pvp.
5) There are many ways to "defend" yourself. You just do not know about them and/or not capable of doing them yet.
6) You will need to understand pvp mechanics in order to be able to survive pvp. This game is all about pvp everywhere. For example ships that can make it through gatecamps fairly easily( in this order in my opinion): A t3 cruiser with interdiction nullification and a covert cloak, interceptors, covert op frigs with fast aligns, Anything that uses a covert cloak, anything that has a bonus to warp strength, etc.

When you learn game/pvp mechanics and get skilled up into better ships you will be better able to handle yourself in a fight as well as being able to avoid many situations that will put you in a fight when you do not want to be in one.

Yes.

Hi Sec: Somewhat safe
Low Sec: Very unsafe
Null Sec: Somewhere in between if you live there
WH: You never know...

you are complaining about your ship to be easily, as you put it, KOed.

Join a good newbro-friendly corp. and learn from them, being alone limits your growth. eve is complex, it will take time to learn it on your own. and never go to lowsec/hisec through tama, you'll die.



HTFU op, if you have this attitude then don't cry.