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pajedas
Doomheim
#101 - 2016-02-12 23:35:50 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
The big picture is that is that lossless on-demand skill point remapping would be bad for the game.

How could I have forgotten that the forum trolls know everything?

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Avvy
Doomheim
#102 - 2016-02-12 23:50:14 UTC
pajedas wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
The big picture is that is that lossless on-demand skill point remapping would be bad for the game.

How could I have forgotten that the forum trolls know everything?


I don't think many are trolling you, it's just that you are so sure that the big picture is how you see it, you just won't except any other version.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#103 - 2016-02-13 01:40:51 UTC
:nopoors:

Sanity is fun leaving the body.

Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#104 - 2016-02-13 03:01:45 UTC
pajedas wrote:

I used 3 extractors to take out worthless skill points and re-injected them. (Still unallocated)

I'm done as far as I can tell.


you literally just confirmed what I said. Stop trolling. Please. What exactly do you get from trolling like you are?
pajedas
Doomheim
#105 - 2016-02-13 15:18:22 UTC
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
pajedas wrote:

I used 3 extractors to take out worthless skill points and re-injected them. (Still unallocated)

I'm done as far as I can tell.


you literally just confirmed what I said. Stop trolling. Please. What exactly do you get from trolling like you are?

You disagree with me so I agree with you and you disagree with that.

That's trolling.

I believe my OP to be true and accurate.

CCP's gain is our loss.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#106 - 2016-02-13 15:32:45 UTC
Every skillpoint that's lost makes mine worth just that little bit more.

I'm especially enjoying the anticipation of the wailing that will happen when CCP make some long neglected skill really useful

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#107 - 2016-02-13 15:40:58 UTC
pajedas wrote:
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
pajedas wrote:

I used 3 extractors to take out worthless skill points and re-injected them. (Still unallocated)

I'm done as far as I can tell.


you literally just confirmed what I said. Stop trolling. Please. What exactly do you get from trolling like you are?

You disagree with me so I agree with you and you disagree with that.

That's trolling.

I believe my OP to be true and accurate.

CCP's gain is our loss.


then dont do it?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

pajedas
Doomheim
#108 - 2016-02-13 16:26:04 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
then dont do it?

Did you even read what you quoted? I said that I was done, having used 3 extractors and re-injecting them.

Look at the overall impact (long term) on the Eve community.

You can go troll somewhere else as you obviously have nothing to add here.

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Avvy
Doomheim
#109 - 2016-02-13 16:34:39 UTC
pajedas wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
then dont do it?

Did you even read what you quoted? I said that I was done, having used 3 extractors and re-injecting them.

Look at the overall impact (long term) on the Eve community.

You can go troll somewhere else as you obviously have nothing to add here.



The sp that is lost wasn't required by the characters that trained them, therefore lost sp doesn't matter.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#110 - 2016-02-13 16:38:05 UTC
Avvy wrote:
pajedas wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
then dont do it?

Did you even read what you quoted? I said that I was done, having used 3 extractors and re-injecting them.

Look at the overall impact (long term) on the Eve community.

You can go troll somewhere else as you obviously have nothing to add here.



The sp that is lost wasn't required by the characters that trained them, therefore lost sp doesn't matter.


exactly! he only has an issue because he wanted to switch his own skills around with no penalty, longterm effect - great, people can now get rid of skills they dont need to people who will use them, next up name changes for aurum!

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#111 - 2016-02-13 17:57:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Avvy wrote:
pajedas wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
then dont do it?

Did you even read what you quoted? I said that I was done, having used 3 extractors and re-injecting them.

Look at the overall impact (long term) on the Eve community.

You can go troll somewhere else as you obviously have nothing to add here.



The sp that is lost wasn't required by the characters that trained them, therefore lost sp doesn't matter.


Good point.

Player takes out "useless" SP, and gets a fraction back to use in non-useless skills.

Should be considered a win. Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth.

Let's use an analogy.

I have a trash can, like most of use probably do, outside my house. There is stuff in there I consider "useless".

If somebody were to come along and say, "I'll give you $5 for the contents." My reaction would be "Sold!!!!"

Taking out 1.5 million "useless skills" and re-injecting for 500,000 SP is pretty much the same thing. You should be happy. CCP gave us a way to turn "garbage" into "gold"....alchemy at its best.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#112 - 2016-02-13 18:14:36 UTC
pajedas wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
then dont do it?

Did you even read what you quoted? I said that I was done, having used 3 extractors and re-injecting them.

Look at the overall impact (long term) on the Eve community.

You can go troll somewhere else as you obviously have nothing to add here.


It might be good.

1. New players don't have to wait to get into the "fun stuff". Granted they won't have the experience and will likely die in more pricey ships, but....hey, I didn't make them inject SP and go out and buy a ship they could barely afford put a **** fit on it and jump into Tama. At that point it is, HTFU, welcome to EVE.

2. Players with "useless" SP can now remove them and re-inject and get some of them back to use wherever they like, or they can sell it for ISK, or give it to an alt for use with much lower or no penalty, or give it to a corp mate who is new.

3. More money for CCP, which means they can keep providing the game.

4. One argument I have seen about the SP Problem in the game is that if we were to construct a distribution of SP, we'd find that most of it is with the longer term players. To the extent that this maybe discouraging to newer players (how can I at 2 million SP ever beat a guy with 120 million SP?) then "flattening out" that distribution will reduce this effect. Personally, I'm not completely sold on this argument, but some people make it.

Now, on the other hand markets are tricky things to design. And even though there does not appear to be much down side now...the same thing has been thought about other markets people have created where actual real money was much more involved. Example, the California electricity market in 2000-2001. Complete debacle there and billions and billions of dollars were involved.

So this could all blow up in our collective faces. I know this last one is a bit vague and nebulous, but going back to the CA electricity market...the consequences of that debacle is still on-going, believe it or not. The state's investor owned utilities are looking at the possibility of a death spiral. Residential customers are massively over-investing in solar technology and hmmm...where else did we recently realize we way over invested in something....oh yeah, the housing market.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#113 - 2016-02-13 18:15:30 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Every skillpoint that's lost makes mine worth just that little bit more.

I'm especially enjoying the anticipation of the wailing that will happen when CCP make some long neglected skill really useful


You are a bad, bad man....so naturally, +1 to you sir. Lol

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#114 - 2016-02-13 18:23:29 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Every skillpoint that's lost makes mine worth just that little bit more.

I'm especially enjoying the anticipation of the wailing that will happen when CCP make some long neglected skill really useful


You are a bad, bad man....so naturally, +1 to you sir. Lol



X up everyone who's removed Defender Missiles

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#115 - 2016-02-13 19:02:22 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Every skillpoint that's lost makes mine worth just that little bit more.

I'm especially enjoying the anticipation of the wailing that will happen when CCP make some long neglected skill really useful


You are a bad, bad man....so naturally, +1 to you sir. Lol



X up everyone who's removed Defender Missiles
People have SP in that?

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#116 - 2016-02-13 19:07:25 UTC
Avvy wrote:
pajedas wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
The big picture is that is that lossless on-demand skill point remapping would be bad for the game.

How could I have forgotten that the forum trolls know everything?


I don't think many are trolling you, it's just that you are so sure that the big picture is how you see it, you just won't except any other version.


Actually it seems more like, at least to me, that the OP is annoyed because the explanation doesn't make any technological sense; yes there are people out there who liked eve for that reason. The lore technology reason is that the company producing them wants to slowly drain SP from capsuleers for their own nefarious ends so they built secret SP compartments into the extractors so they can recover the spent injectors and crack open the secret compartments.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#117 - 2016-02-13 19:56:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Every skillpoint that's lost makes mine worth just that little bit more.

I'm especially enjoying the anticipation of the wailing that will happen when CCP make some long neglected skill really useful


You are a bad, bad man....so naturally, +1 to you sir. Lol



X up everyone who's removed Defender Missiles
People have SP in that?


Yep, but I believe my character came that way. When I started the starting SP was closer to 800,000 SP and you picked a career. I picked military for this character and since I was Gallente I started with a fair amount of SP in drones...and I think 2-3 levels in defender missiles.

Correction: lvl 1 in defender missiles. So not worth an extractor in and of itself.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

pajedas
Doomheim
#118 - 2016-02-13 20:47:30 UTC

I surrender.

Close thread.

🐇

Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#119 - 2016-02-14 03:00:49 UTC
pajedas wrote:
You disagree with me so I agree with you and you disagree with that.

That's trolling.

I believe my OP to be true and accurate.

CCP's gain is our loss.


One more time, what exactly did you get out of creating this thread to troll? I eagerly await your response.

Jesus, the stupidity. Try harder when you troll next time please.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#120 - 2016-02-14 04:10:07 UTC
pajedas wrote:

I surrender.

Close thread.


NO.

let the people know how dumb you are. Cool

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