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I know where it is going - question is, is that their intended aim here? Didn't sound like it from the blog.


I'm holding out a slim hope yet that the IFFA DCU is a copya pasta error from the other IFFA which is 20 cpu today (and goes unused )

I can understand why the faint epsilon will become the scoped version, but why don't you swap the two other meta and make the j5b the compact version ? This is the most used version in FW and setting j5b to compactmeta would allow the actual stockpiles to be useful.

I agree that the difference between scoped and the two other is huge compared to the benefits of fitting/cap. Maybe the gap needs to be reduced a little.

I think I finally realized why I am not as fond of the changes to warp scrambles as I was with other modules. Meta 4 warp scramblers are expensive. We aren't talking hugely, but they can be double the cost of the T2 module. Yes they had similar performance and improved fitting, but this was balanced by cost. I would shoot for T2 mods, but if I could not fit it, my choice became is the Meta 4 mod benefit worth the cost of the module, especially in relation to the cost of the ship.

For example, on a kestrek where I might lose 10 on a good night, the value of the Meta 4 was not out weighed by the benefit. Meta 3 for those ships. On a sacrilege, it most certainly is worth the cost.

I think I am going to miss that aspect of the balance in fitting choices with this change. We lose the cost verse performance that was part of the risk. With the new stats, well... T2 all the way or meta 3 as I can't see many times where I'll pay for a mod that costs twice as much as the T2 variant for something that may fit, but greatly underperforms the t2.

Plus there is the impact these changes had on the market and loot. I remember when finding arbalast launchers was a nice find. That stopped a while back. The only high price mods left were certain Damage Controls and the meta 4 scrams and webs. Now... Maybe not. I know it's a wait and see. Still, I am worried that some of these changes will remove the cost vs performance part of the equation that I found added more variety run just fit the best you can aspect.

The scram changes are literally the OPPOSITE direction of interesting choices.

Today we have 3 INTERESTING choices:

-Warp Scram 2: Middle Cost, Good Range (9 m), Bad Fitting
-Faint Epsilon: High Cost, Good Range (9 m), Good Fitting
-J5b: Low Cost, Medium Range (8650 m), Good Fitting

After the patch we have 2 choices. And one of those is high cost. In addition, the meta ranges are terrible now. The last time I check KITING was the thing in this game everyone complained about. Scrams are the item in this game that provide a counter if you can catch them. You just nerfed everyone utilizing J5b scrams by 13.3% range, OR they have to shell out an extra 4-5M for a Faint Epsilon and still get nerfed range from what they have today.

My point is, no pun intended, is that most kiting frigate fits were already forced to use T2 disruptors for the 24km range, so their game remains unchanged. The frigates that were not considered overpowered in the meta just got indirectly nerfed. They either lose scram range, tank, or damage.

I will repeat myself from other posts. Please make the scoped version drop rate vastly increase and change it to 8650m. Make all other meta scrams have a 8250m range.

as per CCP Darwin on reddit, he wanted us to post fits that might be affected. Granted, this isn't relating to the DCU, but webs/scram tiericide.

[Caldari Navy Hookbill, Polarbill]
Power Diagnostic System II
Ballistic Control System II

'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Republic Fleet Medium Shield Extender
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive

Polarized Rocket Launcher, Scourge Rage Rocket
Polarized Rocket Launcher, Scourge Rage Rocket
Polarized Rocket Launcher, Scourge Rage Rocket

Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator II

This is my polarized hookbill (which keep in mind, polarized launchers use less fitting than t2). I'm using meta 2 webs and meta 3 scram for CPU reasons.

I have 205.57/206.25 CPU and 48.3/49.03

Scram/web changes will make it impossible for me to fit this without using implants. The hookbill already has terrible CPU, now with these adjustments i can't even fit tackle on it. I mean hell, the fit has 0% resists and only like 4.7k EHP, its not like its super tanky. Its just good at range controlling and doing damage and getting out.

RIP polarbill

If you guys could stop slowly creeping up CPU costs of modules, that'd be great. I like my fits and a lot of them require a fitting implant as it is. There's literally no reason for it other than to annoy the **** out of EVE players everywhere (and you've done quite enough of that already with the other recent changes).

No, not this. Frigates are literally designed for tackle, that's their major role - to catch stuff. A frigate on its own does nothing to the battleship. And they NEED scrams to shut off MJDs, anything larger than a cruiser won't get there and scram in time to prevent ships getting away. This is literally one of the worst suggestions I've ever seen on this forum (and THAT is saying something).

So let me get this straight: you're slightly buffing meta point range, but significantly nerfing meta scram range?

Why? Why would this seem like a good idea?

If you take warp disruptors/scrams away from frigs, you lose the ability to tackle stuff on gate (or elsewhere). Ceptors are basicalyl built specifically to tackle stuff (although combat ceptors arguably can DPS, they are still a tackle ship) complete with bonuses set up specifically for tackling.

People are already whining that ceptors etc. warp too fast to be caught. Put scrams and disruptors into the hands of larger ships onl, which have MUCH lower scan resolution, and tackle is broken completely. Your suggestion is so bad on so many levels, I shouldn't even have wasted the time responding to it.

Are you referring to CPU here? Because it looks like with the exception of the Dark Blood mods and the Dread Guristas scram, the ranges on the faction mods are either staying the same or being buffed.