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Old camera option will be removed Mars 9'th

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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
#41 - 2016-02-12 14:09:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Nana Skalski
CCP HEAR ME OVER YOUR ACCOUNTING BOOKS!

They will not listen, I know it.

The last thing you would like to add to your game is to disorient your players. Its easy with this new camera. Dont remove the old one. And if you must for technical reasons, make the orbit camera exactly like the old one. Cram into tactical camera everything else.
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
#42 - 2016-02-12 14:44:32 UTC
I guess March 9th will be the day I decide whether or not to cancel my subscription..? I do not, repeat, do not want to do that. The solution is simple: New code the old camera. Maybe boring and tedious, but simple nonetheless.

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Captain Campion
Campion Corp.
#43 - 2016-02-12 14:49:08 UTC
This absolutely must not happen unless the issues with the new camera are also resolved by then.
ap0phis Kaundur
Ex Presidents.
Hell Dawn
#44 - 2016-02-12 15:04:13 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
With the new camera angles and settings, I get what I assume is pretty bad motion sickness - I really hope that they don't remove the old camera settings permanently. :(



Same here.
I cant track where the target is going if u click on it.
U have to use ALT key to track tartget... so, lets hope that they will not remove the old camera.
Arlyn Nightblade
Perkone
Caldari State
#45 - 2016-02-12 15:19:43 UTC
I can't believe they would do that... I've tried the new camera and it also makes me motion sick, i also have much less "feel" of where i am spatially due to the way it operates.

Sure it "looks" nicer visually (like a movie, BSG, etc), but people should have the option to turn off bells and whistles for clean functionality if they choose.

I simply cannot get used to the camera, gave it a shot and disabled all the new features. I hope they hear the customer base and, even if they remove the "old" camera, give options to make the new camera look/feel/move like the old one.

Please CCP ;(
Samir Duran Xadi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2016-02-12 15:20:51 UTC
CCP you're giving motion sickness to your players, get your act together.
Jajuka Cirim
#47 - 2016-02-12 18:21:40 UTC
MidnightWyvern wrote:
Of course, I guess I'm forgetting that changing any game mechanic in any way whatsoever will kill the game dead. You know, just like it did all those other times!

Apparently some people still can't find the undock button! Now they're just station traders, which is a bummer when you're stuck in Derelik. Ugh
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#48 - 2016-02-12 18:46:03 UTC
Disabling all the checkboxes from the new camera options makes it way more bearable, at least for the stupid movement/FOV stuff.

Specially disabling the "Ship speed offset" option makes the camera focus on the center of your ship lik the old one... can't help to but think why did they even implement that function rather than allow right button panning.
Demica Diaz
SE-1
#49 - 2016-02-12 19:02:37 UTC
Wait, what? Why? I am all for extra camera options an all that jazz but what is wrong with current camera? Is there reason for change? What?
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#50 - 2016-02-12 19:29:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
Demica Diaz wrote:
Wait, what? Why? I am all for extra camera options an all that jazz but what is wrong with current camera? Is there reason for change? What?


Old camera haves old code. Old code must be removed. CCP devs write new code and new camera instead of new code for old camera because *shiny* and !!CCP!!
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#51 - 2016-02-12 20:06:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
I see nothing good from this. I really think that all the problems with the new camera should be resolved before they start throwing around a discontinued date.

I had to turn off dynamic field of view, because it seems to have a bug with occlusions. My screen, and anything in the shadow of a sun flickers badly. This happens in STATION too, why am I getting sun occlusion bugs inside ship hanger?

But worst of all, I can't find crap in space anymore. I used to be able to click on something in my overview and my ship would center it. My + button is gone and is not a first person button.

First person is great for setting up insta-undocks. I can make them much more accurately than before, so it's not a totally useless cosmetic feature, but realy, why did my other button have to go away?

Overall, I like the new camera interface, but there is some broken functionality, just like the new map.

Anyway, fix the problems with the new version THEN retire the old camera. Thank you.

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TigerXtrm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2016-02-12 20:07:57 UTC
I have to seriously wonder if any of you complaining people even bothered looking at the camera options. You can disable and change things like FOV and zoom speed to make it nearly identical to the old camera in usability. Stop complaining for the sake of complaining.

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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#53 - 2016-02-12 20:10:06 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
I have to seriously wonder if any of you complaining people even bothered looking at the camera options. You can disable and change things like FOV and zoom speed to make it nearly identical to the old camera in usability. Stop complaining for the sake of complaining.


Yea, and if they are retiring the old camera, why would they not also retire those options to make the new camera like the old camera?

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#54 - 2016-02-12 20:29:43 UTC
the current disconnected tracking camera is okay if you're sitting in a structure, actually. absolute useless trash if you're a moving ship though.
koenkoard
Perkone
Caldari State
#55 - 2016-02-12 20:34:37 UTC
Nay sayer here, i’m happy with the old camera, leave it the way it is, new camera SUCKS big time. Don’t fix what’s not broken. New set up gives you not situational awareness, you can’t track stuff on the go (gates/planets/etc) can’t imagine roaming null sec/wh with only the new camera set up.

Stop f*&^*ng everything up CCP. Please.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#56 - 2016-02-12 20:34:54 UTC
Probably has something to do with the statement that players will be allowed to see in space while they are docked in citadels.
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#57 - 2016-02-12 20:50:11 UTC
I really must be playing this game wrong because the only think I noticed was crazy shaking at some point. Rest felt the same as always, no motion sickness or anything close to that.

Oh well, hope you guys get some fix...

If not, Bumblefck, I would kindly ask you to donate me your SP.
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
#58 - 2016-02-12 21:06:54 UTC
It's not motion sickness you're experiencing.

It's withdrawal symptoms from the SP needles.
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Daemun Khanid
Corbeau de sang
#59 - 2016-02-12 23:53:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Daemun Khanid
TigerXtrm wrote:
I have to seriously wonder if any of you complaining people even bothered looking at the camera options. You can disable and change things like FOV and zoom speed to make it nearly identical to the old camera in usability. Stop complaining for the sake of complaining.

I have to seriously wonder if you've bothered to read any of the complaints everyone has given, have even undocked and tried to use the thing or even know how to do anything combat related in EvE, or have taken a moment to consider that you aren't the center of the universe and the vast majority of players disagree with you and believe the camera is very bad. 13 pages and counting of negativity on the official feedback thread complete with reasons, suggested fixes, screenshots, video's and scenario's.
I have to wonder if you think you're the only one who's tried unticking a couple camera options.
I have to wonder if you think the world exists outside your own little bubble.

Have to wonder...

Edit: Sorry 15 pages and counting.

Daemun of Khanid

Definate
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#60 - 2016-02-13 00:01:52 UTC
please remember your core fans here. Give us the option on the use of the old camera. And the FPS view needs a right-click pan option or its useless.....