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Frigates can they make good isk?

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J'Poll
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2016-02-11 19:52:47 UTC
Avvy wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
As Bumble said, just boasting about your raw SP amounts means jack ****.

Do you know HOW to fly and use your ship (aka player skill) under stress.


By your logic, I can fly a titan on my capital character, as it has all related skills to 4. But in reality, I cant cause I dont know how. I just trained it for the sake of being able to train it and maybe in the fufure I might need them



The skills trained were really just background information. That led up to the question.

Which is can frigate pilots make good isk as I couldn't think of anyway of doing it solo.


I've had two good replies and considering both.


Part of the problem with frigates is hold size, also never heard of a frigate doing level 4 missions.




FW, piracy, exploration, missions.

For T1 dessies, add ganking.




And a frigate can do L4, just not efficiently to be worth it.

I once did some L4s in an AF and managed, but it took 3 times as long compared to a T3C

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Avvy
Doomheim
#22 - 2016-02-11 19:58:56 UTC
Memphis Baas wrote:
Also FW. And it doesn't matter what ship you fly; can make billions day-trading or scamming in Jita. Frigate or not.

If you wish to stick to frigates, feel free, nothing wrong with it. I would recommend training an industrial to 4, just so you can carry some loot around and facilitate this "making of money."



Had a trading alt in the past, even carried stuff around in industrials and spent some time running those missions for rep. Even had a freighter.



This time what I'm trying to achieve is just a combat focused character that doesn't rely on alts, or just running missions.

I kind of wish there was a pirate faction in FW.
Avvy
Doomheim
#23 - 2016-02-11 20:08:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
Bumblefck wrote:
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Besides, is this really a new player's question, if you have 24m SP?




Even a new player can have more than 24 mill sp these days.




Edit:

The reason it's here is I didn't really consider it a question for GD.
Nadja Hawk
Doomheim
#24 - 2016-02-11 20:09:39 UTC
Avvy wrote:

I kind of wish there was a pirate faction in FW.


many of us do....

But why do you feel you need to make isk on frigs? It's more fun blowing frigs up! :)
Avvy
Doomheim
#25 - 2016-02-11 20:19:56 UTC
Nadja Hawk wrote:
Avvy wrote:

I kind of wish there was a pirate faction in FW.


many of us do....

But why do you feel you need to make isk on frigs? It's more fun blowing frigs up! :)


Well I don't really want to get into a situation where I have to keep throwing cash at the game.

So I would much rather have an in-game income greater than the losses. Although I don't mind subscribing so income doesn't need to be massive as long as the gains out way the losses.


The other reason is my frigate skills are at a good level now, I should be able to fit interceptors, attack frigates, electronic attack ships and covert-ops with the proper equipment. So it's not so much about the levels now, but seeing what I can do with them.
Avvy
Doomheim
#26 - 2016-02-11 20:24:12 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Avvy wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
As Bumble said, just boasting about your raw SP amounts means jack ****.

Do you know HOW to fly and use your ship (aka player skill) under stress.


By your logic, I can fly a titan on my capital character, as it has all related skills to 4. But in reality, I cant cause I dont know how. I just trained it for the sake of being able to train it and maybe in the fufure I might need them



The skills trained were really just background information. That led up to the question.

Which is can frigate pilots make good isk as I couldn't think of anyway of doing it solo.


I've had two good replies and considering both.


Part of the problem with frigates is hold size, also never heard of a frigate doing level 4 missions.




FW, piracy, exploration, missions.

For T1 dessies, add ganking.




And a frigate can do L4, just not efficiently to be worth it.

I once did some L4s in an AF and managed, but it took 3 times as long compared to a T3C





Exploration might be interesting as I haven't done much of that.

Still interested in piracy and have my eye on CURSE but presently still not sure how I'm going to make that work.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#27 - 2016-02-11 20:34:32 UTC
Avvy wrote:

Still interested in piracy and have my eye on CURSE but presently still not sure how I'm going to make that work.




You get in a frigate (or any other ship you'd like to use, for that matter), and fly out there, and (at it's simplest), either hunt players down with dscan or probes or - in a more new-to-this-kind-of-player way - just hop from belt to belt or hang around a gate and wait for prey. Don't stop to think too long and intellectualise it; just do it, especially with the expectation that the ship you're in is dead before you even set off for your destination.

Just bear that in mind; your ship is just temporarily holding itself together, waiting for the inevitable 'bang'. Once you get past that, it's much easier to think of ships as useful (but expendable) tools, rather than precious progress markers that must be protected at all costs.

Yes, you'll die - a lot, probably (most of us do)...but hopefully, you'll have fun, too.

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SurrenderMonkey
The Exchange Collective
Solyaris Chtonium
#28 - 2016-02-11 20:35:42 UTC
Avvy wrote:


Well I don't really want to get into a situation where I have to keep throwing cash at the game.



I don't get this.

Unless you really love flying blingy ships, or you die at a phenomenal pace, common T2 fit, T1 ships have an after-insurance replacement cost low enough that you should be able to accidentally earn enough money to keep yourself in ships forever.

It's a bit more if you get into T2 and T3, though still nothing exorbitant.

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Avvy
Doomheim
#29 - 2016-02-11 20:54:08 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Avvy wrote:


Well I don't really want to get into a situation where I have to keep throwing cash at the game.



I don't get this.

Unless you really love flying blingy ships, or you die at a phenomenal pace, common T2 fit, T1 ships have an after-insurance replacement cost low enough that you should be able to accidentally earn enough money to keep yourself in ships forever.

It's a bit more if you get into T2 and T3, though still nothing exorbitant.




I was thinking of dying at a phenomenal pace.

I never even thought of insurance, in the times I've been playing over the last 10 years, I think I've only lost 3 ships one of those was a starter ship, another due to lag doing a combat mission in Jita (when there were missions in Jita) and another to being scrambled by a frigate in a mission as there wasn't supposed to be one there, so wasn't expecting it.

In fact lost so few I never even bothered with insurance.

Plus the insurance on a Dramiel isn't worth having.
Avvy
Doomheim
#30 - 2016-02-11 21:15:01 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Avvy wrote:

Still interested in piracy and have my eye on CURSE but presently still not sure how I'm going to make that work.




You get in a frigate (or any other ship you'd like to use, for that matter), and fly out there, and (at it's simplest), either hunt players down with dscan or probes or - in a more new-to-this-kind-of-player way - just hop from belt to belt or hang around a gate and wait for prey. Don't stop to think too long and intellectualise it; just do it, especially with the expectation that the ship you're in is dead before you even set off for your destination.

Just bear that in mind; your ship is just temporarily holding itself together, waiting for the inevitable 'bang'. Once you get past that, it's much easier to think of ships as useful (but expendable) tools, rather than precious progress markers that must be protected at all costs.

Yes, you'll die - a lot, probably (most of us do)...but hopefully, you'll have fun, too.

If you'd like, we can roam together (yes, I sincerely mean that). I'm really not great at PVP, but it's fun and a rush. Let me know if you're interested



I've been through low sec before, so I kind of know at least what that used to be like. Although I have been in null, never really saw action there, must have been a quite time. So I do wonder about bubbles as I've not had to deal with them.

But I have 4 JCs so I could get to CURSE and being an NPC region I'll be able to dock. Problem I see is that they will effectively be all hostile at least to start with, so don't see a way of making a profit only a loss. Although if they have a medical facility I could place a JC there and jump back to high-sec when needed.

As for over thinking, yes I can do that sometimes.
SurrenderMonkey
The Exchange Collective
Solyaris Chtonium
#31 - 2016-02-11 21:18:56 UTC
Avvy wrote:

Plus the insurance on a Dramiel isn't worth having.


Don't fly expensive ships until you're not bad at the game anymore?

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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#32 - 2016-02-11 21:23:14 UTC
Avvy wrote:


In fact lost so few I never even bothered with insurance.

Plus the insurance on a Dramiel isn't worth having.


You always get more out of insurance that you put in, so at its core, insurance is ALWAYS worth it if you know you're about to get blown up.


To add some other things. Relic and Data sites were mentioned, but lower tier combat sites are definitely doable in frigates too.

Also, if most of your skills are for frigates, then you're also mostly skilled up for destroyer. Destroyers, especially t3 can do harder combat sites than frigates can, and are good at pvp too.

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2016-02-11 21:42:22 UTC
Well one of my mission alts makes hundreds of million an hour in a frigate.

Basically I never play the alt much anymore, so he sits in a Garmur and I log him in for about 30 seconds several times a day from work and keep declining level IVs till I get a team burner.

SO all he does is run team burners which at current SOE Probe Launcher prices gets him 30 to 40 mill ISK for 10 minutes max (usually much less but sometime you have to travel) killing each burner.
Cara Forelli
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#34 - 2016-02-11 22:05:47 UTC
I hear playing the game helps

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Avvy
Doomheim
#35 - 2016-02-11 22:32:35 UTC
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Avvy wrote:


In fact lost so few I never even bothered with insurance.

Plus the insurance on a Dramiel isn't worth having.


You always get more out of insurance that you put in, so at its core, insurance is ALWAYS worth it if you know you're about to get blown up.


To add some other things. Relic and Data sites were mentioned, but lower tier combat sites are definitely doable in frigates too.

Also, if most of your skills are for frigates, then you're also mostly skilled up for destroyer. Destroyers, especially t3 can do harder combat sites than frigates can, and are good at pvp too.


Yeah, got all 4 races level 5 destroyer skills in the queue atm, as it is a natural progression from frigates.

Funny enough I can train a lot of the T2 cruiser books, although no point as I wouldn't be able to fit them properly yet, or fly them.


Maybe a T3 destroyer is a future possibility. But obviously I'll stay with frigates for awhile.


As for insurance as long as it's not pirate faction ships, it sounds like it will be worth looking at.
Avvy
Doomheim
#36 - 2016-02-11 22:33:44 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:
I hear playing the game helps



Well I've played the game many times, got 9 accounts although 8 are now dead.
Avvy
Doomheim
#37 - 2016-02-11 23:16:49 UTC
Well thanks for the replies, given me a few things to think about.


ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2016-02-12 00:48:17 UTC
This poster has made several posts in the past that I consider to be troll like. I am assuming this is likely a troll post as well but I'll bite on the troll bait.

Avvy wrote:

I identified 128 skills which I consider to be used with frigates or for frigates....... So I can only really fit and fly frigates or t1 destroyers.


Of all the skills in this game there are only 4 racial frigate skills. If you want to add in the T2 versions of those then that is 6 more skills. We have really only 3 small weapons system skills that are specific to small ships, those are the 3 small turret skills. Again if you want to add in the T2 versions that is 6 more. So that is 19 skills that can only be used with small ships.

The other 109 skills are not specific to small ships and will be just as useful when flying medium, large and capital sized ships. If you have 24.4 Million skill points I would say that, even if you had no large ship skills currently, you could probably fly any battleship in game fairly decently in a week maybe less if you wanted. It would probably only have the weapons that were not T2.

So your argument about only being able to fly frigates seems silly to me.

Avvy wrote:

I can't really think of anything as a frigate pilot that's going to make enough isk to cover the losses especially in hostile regions. As I'm in an NPC corp. I'm obviously considering solo activities at this point.

So any ideas?

This is an MMO. It is an MMO who's stated focus is group PvP. You are supposed to make friends in MMOs and do things with or against other people. If you do not want to interact with other players may I suggest some of the many single player games available.

If you are having trouble making decent isk solo I'm sure the devs are very happy to hear that as they have said repeatedly that they wish to encourage group efforts over solo and make fleet actions more profitable than solo whenever possible.

I'm sure that there are a million ways to make isk in a frigate but one thing that jumps to the front of my mind is FW. I've seen plenty of videos from people showing how to make good isk solo in FW. However I will suggest that it is probably much more fun to do it with friends. Oh and by the way I'm pretty sure that you can join an NPC FW corp so your dreams of being a solo NPC corp pilot in a frigate might come true yet.

If you want to troll in the future may I suggest you pick something that we can't poke enough holes in to make it look like swiss cheese.

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2016-02-12 00:57:05 UTC
So you post this:
Avvy wrote:

I can't really think of anything as a frigate pilot that's going to make enough isk to cover the losses especially in hostile regions.



Then you post this:
Avvy wrote:

I never even thought of insurance, in the times I've been playing over the last 10 years, I think I've only lost 3 ships one of those was a starter ship,


3 Ships in 10 years and one was a starter? I think I know a way that you can cover your losses in a frigate. Well it's pretty much anything that you do in a frigate will cover 2 frigates and a starter ship over a 10 year period.

If you are going to be a troll at least be a decent one.

Oh and BTW if you have only lost 2 ships that you've had to pay for in the past 10 years I don't think that you can even claim to have played this game.

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Cara Forelli
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
#40 - 2016-02-12 01:02:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Cara Forelli
ergherhdfgh wrote:
This poster has made several posts in the past that I consider to be troll like. I am assuming this is likely a troll post as well but I'll bite on the troll bait.

Considering he just injected ~9m skillpoints (costing ~11.5 bil!) and is now whining about the cost of flying t1 frigs....yeah.

Not to mention his history of posting awful/discouraging advice to other new players without bothering to actually play the game before forming half-baked opinions and running his mouth.

If I'm not being clear: OP, I do not like you. You won't ever get help from me here (or, I imagine, most of the NCQA crew). We do not appreciate trolling in this forum.

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