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i must wonder why i do not see an eve clone...

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Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#21 - 2016-02-05 17:35:25 UTC
Having carefully analysed your post, OP, I'm afraid I must remark at this time that said post seems to exist, in my considered opinion, as a rather excessively verbose manner of declaring "I don't like EvE and I don't want to play EvE".





Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#22 - 2016-02-05 17:36:57 UTC
I think you're just still mad that CCP took away your offensively misogynistic name, "ReiPing Yu"




Obligatory joke: who's "ReiPing Yu" who now, eh?

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2016-02-05 17:55:42 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Same reason we don't see any more good FPS, the games industry is dominated by companies after a quick buck.


It's not so much after a quick buck as much as after bucks. The current FPS trend sells so making a clone of something will usually cost less than create a new genre. Convincing a corporate fat cat that his shares will raise more by creating something new is hard when he knows damn well his shares will rise by creating clone #119 of game X.

For all the hate corp like EA gets, I always am forced to admit that even if gamers vote them the worst company to exist, they are still standing taller than a **** load of "good" gaming company. At the end of the day, they will look after themself before gamers because it's their money on the line.
AMARR CITIZEN 11151215
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2016-02-05 19:21:32 UTC
i am not surprised at this amount of replies to this post, i do not know why people insist on commenting thing that do not contribute to the substance of the topic but instead express personal ideals, theorems, and opinions.

that being said, i am also surprised to see people confused as to the difference between changing what a game is all about, and evolving; in addition to a lack of knowledge as to who ccp games, the main people behind the company, are. in addition to what they have done, and what they enjoy doing. these are just my opinions, but they are educated opinions.

first, i will address the issue of confusion to change vs evolution. eve can evolve as a game, expand, and include addition content. this does not mean that eve has to change its main policy, and that is the developers do not interfere with the world, and instead have created a player driven universe, where the players create the rules. great examples are code, frog, and mercs. the developers allow the game to develop as players develop rules.

this is because ccp are creators. they have created a unique universe they are very proud of. this pride is stronger then greed for them, a rare human trait. i wish more people were creative then greedy. the eve universe can not exist, let alone evolve, without fiscal support. the support of in game subscriptions, is no where near the maintenance cost of the super computer and staff needed to maintain the game alone. ccp games needs other revenue then the eve account subscriptions.

any gaming company would be foolish not to take advantage of an opportunity. ccps has a unique advantage on the competition, and luck is taking advantage of timing and opportunity. the developers at ccp are creators. i am sure they would love to create a universe where the developers again did not interfere, but instead the developers developed an ai that created a universe. when you create something that is stable, you can walk away from it, and it will continue to exist and thrive. eve is stable i believe. the effort i see put into eve increases the gameplay experience, but never do they change the motivation to play eve form playing a real, unique, player driver world to that of the "common" game experience. i am sure they have done many personal things outside of publicly available ccp projects

developing an AI-controlled and generated world, that the developers did not interfere with, to me not only seems to be within their capabilities, but appears to be their passion. creating independent worlds, that they can step back from, and watch evolve and grow over time. i can not begin to conceive how they feel about their universe being considered an art masterpiece. as creators, it must be the equivalent to an earned Nobel prize.

i hope i have cleared up some things from the few comments i browsed when i came to cite this page

My posts are here for me to cite when debating in chat, or as a record to devs should they wish or require them. With rare exception, i do not monitor, or reply to posts.

please take this in consideration, reply sparingly, cite your answer. thanks

Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#25 - 2016-02-05 20:44:22 UTC
There are plenty of space based themepark MMOs on the market already. Pick any of those if that's what you want.

"any gaming company would be foolish not to take advantage of an opportunity"

You've never planned out a business, have you? When you have a successful niche market, you don't dilute your brand by trying to be more than you are. If you try to please everyone, you end up making no one happy. A smart business knows its target market, finds a way to cater specifically to them, and isn't distracted by things that aren't in that wheelhouse.
Thorian Baalnorn
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2016-02-05 23:59:38 UTC
AMARR CITIZEN 11151215 wrote:


first, i will address the issue of confusion to change vs evolution. eve can evolve as a game, expand, and include addition content. this does not mean that eve has to change its main policy, and that is the developers do not interfere with the world, and instead have created a player driven universe, where the players create the rules. great examples are code, frog, and mercs. the developers allow the game to develop as players develop rules.



Do you actually play this game? Eve is a pioneer in a sandbox in which the players dictate a majority of what goes on inside a very loose set of rules with tools provided by CCP. Not only that CCP is one of maybe a handful, and i am pushing it there, that listens to the player base and makes changes to the game according to the wants and needs of the player rather than whatever they feel like doing today or whatever is going to suck a few more dollars out of the players pocket.

AMARR CITIZEN 11151215 wrote:

this is because ccp are creators. they have created a unique universe they are very proud of. this pride is stronger then greed for them, a rare human trait. i wish more people were creative then greedy. the eve universe can not exist, let alone evolve, without fiscal support. the support of in game subscriptions, is no where near the maintenance cost of the super computer and staff needed to maintain the game alone. ccp games needs other revenue then the eve account subscriptions.



Im sorry are you privy to CCP's financial statements? Do you know what they take in? Spend on development? Pocket as profit? You also seem to know what it cost to run a game such as eve and to maintain it. CCP has grown this game from a mere 25k subs to over half a million in 12-13ish years. While they have been doing that they have hired more staff, opened more sites, AND continued to add content to eve as well as keep it a modern game rather than let it get outdated.

On top of this they also have been developing other games( currently working on two titles that i know of), so my financial assessment is they seem to know what the hell they are doing.

AMARR CITIZEN 11151215 wrote:


any gaming company would be foolish not to take advantage of an opportunity. ccps has a unique advantage on the competition, and luck is taking advantage of timing and opportunity. the developers at ccp are creators. i am sure they would love to create a universe where the developers again did not interfere, but instead the developers developed an ai that created a universe. when you create something that is stable, you can walk away from it, and it will continue to exist and thrive. eve is stable i believe. the effort i see put into eve increases the gameplay experience, but never do they change the motivation to play eve form playing a real, unique, player driver world to that of the "common" game experience. i am sure they have done many personal things outside of publicly available ccp projects

developing an AI-controlled and generated world, that the developers did not interfere with, to me not only seems to be within their capabilities, but appears to be their passion. creating independent worlds, that they can step back from, and watch evolve and grow over time. i can not begin to conceive how they feel about their universe being considered an art masterpiece. as creators, it must be the equivalent to an earned Nobel prize.

i hope i have cleared up some things from the few comments i browsed when i came to cite this page


If they create an AI controlled and developed world then they are interfering. Someone has to create the AI to create and control the world. That AI is limited by the persons developing it, their technically abilities, and their time restraints to put a workable product in place.

Then this AI can only do what its been programmed to do. So it can only create and control within its perimeters. The human mind has no such limitations. An AI can only create within defined perimeters, the human mind has infinite perimeters. AIs are predictable, humans by their very nature are not predictable. Humans can solve problems on the fly, AI can only solve problems within it perimeters.

The human mind is what we need to be building our sandbox, not some souped up intel E7 processor.

I think, maybe, you need to analyze M Theory with a slice of Chaos Theory for spice instead of the life and times and New Eden and its creators. It seems that would be more your speed.



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Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#27 - 2016-02-06 02:01:27 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Same reason we don't see any more good FPS, the games industry is dominated by companies after a quick buck.

And now CCP has decided to do the same.
May Arethusa
Junction Systems
#28 - 2016-02-06 02:39:59 UTC
I really behind a great many causes. However I stopped reading yours after that typo.

Together we can crush the oppression thrust upon us by those who fail to proof read their walls of text.
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#29 - 2016-02-06 02:51:27 UTC
May Arethusa wrote:
I really behind a great many causes. However I stopped reading yours after that typo.

Together we can crush the oppression thrust upon us by those who fail to proof read their walls of text.

LOL
Marie Trudeau
Trudeau Industrie SA
#30 - 2016-02-06 11:32:43 UTC
An AI-driven version of EVE, basically EVE-WOW, is a very bad idea. The whole attraction of EVE is precisely its player-driven sandbox aspects. That's the core market EVE is serving, and it's pretty much the only game in its niche -- a situation which has served CCP extremely well over the years. The reason why it has that niche sown up is because no-one wants to compete with EVE at this point -- it would very expensive to do, and the market size, while significant and nice for CCP, is small compared to the cost of designing a completely new game of EVE's current scope that would be competitive with EVE. And that's looking at it from the perspective of another company -- for CCP themselves to do this, given the cost involved and the fact that it would at least somewhat cannibalize its own protected niche, would be absolute madness, really.
Avvy
Doomheim
#31 - 2016-02-06 12:35:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
Marie Trudeau wrote:

The whole attraction of EVE is precisely its player-driven sandbox aspects. That's the core market EVE is serving, and it's pretty much the only game in its niche -- a situation which has served CCP extremely well over the years.


Sandbox games do have an appeal to some players. Although they can still be a grind, EVE, grinding rep., Ryzom grinding xp to level skills.

I think the sandbox is what helps keeps it a niche game, a place to visit if you want a change from the norm.

The space theme is one attraction, I also think that the idea that EVE is a harsh universe is also an attraction to some players.

EVE is actually quite complex in its make up as by trying to make it more appealing to some you will make it less appealing to others.

I also think bolting other games onto the EVE universe is a risky venture, but then CCP do seem to like taking risks.

If they wanted to make the game more mainstream. They would be better off just redesigning the game (EVE II).
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#32 - 2016-02-06 12:50:51 UTC
AMARR CITIZEN 11151215 wrote:
i am not surprised at this amount of replies to this post, i do not know why people insist on commenting thing that do not contribute to the substance of the topic but instead express personal ideals, theorems, and opinions.






But that's exactly what this flyblown heap of steaming **** is, is it not?

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#33 - 2016-02-07 20:06:19 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
AMARR CITIZEN 11151215 wrote:
i am not surprised at this amount of replies to this post, i do not know why people insist on commenting thing that do not contribute to the substance of the topic but instead express personal ideals, theorems, and opinions.






But that's exactly what this flyblown heap of steaming **** is, is it not?


Here is my opinion. How dare people express dissenting opinions.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

ISD Buldath
#34 - 2016-02-07 21:57:59 UTC
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