Ships & Modules

Don't add more slots to cruisers.. no.. maybe a small increase to CPU and PW and maybe some other small buffs, to help new players out mostly.. i remember training pvp in a Omen, was quite the experience :D

This is exactly what im talking about, I know most of them are ok-ish but i want them to be good ships, there is no reason for them not to be.

With this logic everyone should fly rifters, <1m ships ftw.
You forget one detail, taking the HAC/Recon will always win the fight in all 3 types of fleets. EVE is always like that, just because you spend double isk doesnt mean you double your preformance. If they buff them (maybe not as big buffs as the stabber above) I will still fly a vaga or zealot for cruiser gangs unless its a suicide mission.

food for thought.

people who dont fly t1 cruisers right now will not be flying them after the tier system removed.

knowing ccp "buffs" are most of the time very small unless they give the ship a role bonus.
only t1 cruisers that need to have a role bonus logi/mining already have it.

so lets say we remove the tier system.
and you could fit 1600plate high tier guns and mwd on every t1 cruiser.
or 2lse mwd point top tier guns.
the only ship that will be used more than it is used now would be the omen in armor hac gangs.

i just dont see it.

here is another one for you i cant fit a 1600plate mwd and 7mpl IIs on my harbi
does this mean it sucks?

Wow lets take a look at everything that is wrong with this.

1. I added 1 slot same number as a Rupture has.
2. It has 4 guns while most Combat Cruisers have 5 or a Double Dmg Bonus.
3. Tier 3 Battleships 19 Slots, Mega and Geddon 19 Slots... Why do they need 2 more they are already balanced slot wise.


Yes.

So slower then a Shield Cane that is a class Heavier...

People would fly my Stabber if it were changed like the above. Doesn't get anymore slots then the Rupture nor Drone Space. Rebalance while removing Tiers will bring Cruisers back.

But you are to busy miscounting Cruiser and Battlecruiser slots to notice.

I completely agree, t1 cruisers are probably the ships that suffer the most from the tier system due to their mixed roles.

Ok I agree - if its T2 and meta4 fit + expencive rigs - then it can be expencive.
But for noobs meta 3 fit cruiser costs around 4M isk hull + 4M isk in mods...

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Rifters are good, most Cruisers are not. They have tangible Speed, Sig Rad, Agility, Accuracy, Scan Res advantages that Cruisers and even Dessies can not just mimic. Cruisers don't over ships like the Nano Cane and their Advantages over Battlecruisers are nill.


Oh yes you can. Good Vaga pilots should never be in a position where they can not leave a Rupture in the dust and escape when threatened. and Zealots are all about the resists / range with Logi if you are flying them in a three man gang without support you are doing it wrong.



You will kill all the Cruisers and take no losses or you are terrible and should get out of HAC's and go back to Battlecruisers. Not Cruisers they are terrible for the most part.


Face it if you are loosing a Vaga daily get into a Cane ASAP.

Pretty much any armor Cruiser gets outrun by a Shield Cane and some Caldari Shield Cruisers.

You should not Balance the game around Noob Fitting or it is ok because this ship is more expensive.

It should be balanced like this.

T1 > Faction > T2 > Pirate Faction >T3

Ship Classes - Different - Bigger and Different - Bigger and Different.

If a Cane can run at the same speed of a Cruiser what is the point of a Cruiser. No T1 Ship should be balanced by cheapness but by ROLE and ROLE ALONE.

You pay ISK for Tank, DPS, Slots or Drones and the cost of that is speed , sig, accuracy, scan res. The Cane has it good where it is important and Cruisers do not meet the fold. That is why their are so many Battlecruisers and so few Cruisers a situation that should be rectified.

Again do not balance T1 Ships by ISK but by Role.

The best part of the augoror is that it cant fit large transfers and it needs a cap chain, who the hell except a augoror uses medium energy transfers?

The best part of the augoror is that it cant fit large transfers and it needs a cap chain, who the hell except a augoror uses medium energy transfers?[/quote]

Let's try and make the Augoror a valuable T1 cruiser for a gang and a stepping stone to the guardian. You'ld want the Augoror to be a flying battery and something like the setup below should fit and be stable (without chaining)


[Augoror, steppingstone]

Medium Energy Transfer Array II
Medium Energy Transfer Array II
Medium Energy Transfer Array II
Medium Energy Transfer Array II

10MN Afterburner I
Cap Recharger II

Capacitor Power Relay II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

It's important for smaller engagements and inexperienced pilots that this fit is stable without chaining so they can learn logistics on their own. Alternatively, you switch to trimarks and replay the CPR for more tank. This second fit would need chaining but would have a more hp, ideal for bigger gangs where alpha becomes a problem OT1H but chaining is possible OTOH. A third fit that could be worked around would be replacing 2 ETA's with neuts, dropping some tank for manoevrabililty and play a more offensive Augoror, perhaps with a cap-booster and a MWD. A capstable Augoror could also be useful in PVE to assist an Abaddon. A remote sensor booster might then be fitted or whatever.

Similar things should be possible with a 4 med rep exequoror and a 4 med rep osprey. They'ld be able to support a smallish fleet even with low sp pilots. There the pilots would also pick up the skills needed for the more advanced (and capable) logis.