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And yet there was definitely a lot of whining, leading directly to CCP making this change. Obviously not everyone got the "just train the skill and get on with it" memo.

I'm fully aware of what a carebear is. As demonstrated in this forum, a carebear is defined twofold, as someone who whines and doesn't just HTFU or someone who chooses to shoot things that aren't players on a regular basis. In this case there's a lot of the former.

What ever happened to the idea that EVE was supposed to be hard? Can't even handle skill training.

That's not really an adaptation (unless the skill system is considered "adapting" as a whole now? Not sure as it's been compared to a number of things as of late) so much as just having a function moved wholly out from under you without respect to your past achievements.

CCP didn't just delete jump bridges and sov without changing the way the worked, say it was "adaptation" when forcing players to put them back and not do anything else to the system. They changed the way they work and players actually had to rework things accordingly with new logic and limits to lasting effect.

That's just a hurdle one has to jump over (train more so that you can train the same as before), not a change in methodology to a new environment or process, you know, actually adapting.

Edit: Also interestingly you equate how "hard" eve is to waiting. I'm genuinely more and more curious about what a game being "hard" means to you.

How about they, out the blue, change requirements for skills you've already trained so you can no longer train them, and have to go back and train a whole new set of skills just to train things you've already trained the pre-requisites for? Or does "HTFU" only apply to things when it doesn't affect you?

Seriously, when CCP started that HTFU thing it was all well and good but it's become a go to "Oh this doesn't affect me, but it affects you? HTFU" cry that's given to every single little thing people say, that and "hurhur Tears/crying" ..

I didn't see much "whining" about this change, I did see people (and myself) asking if CCP can stick to their word, that grandfathering skills wont leave you high and dry in the future. Maybe next time CCP change something that affects your gameplay I sure hope you don't comment about it at all to anyone.



to CCP: Thanks for this

there are many many skills that "should" be trained to V and only a finite amount of time to do them in, in the time over the years I've remained subbed I had not quite gotten around to CS V but I sure as hell want it trained (and this is not my only character) this is a great move from you guys xx

If we have started command ships V training. Will using a skill injector and then applying the SP to other skills individually cancel the training?

Characters must have more than 5,500,000 trained skill points.

What does this mean exactly?

1) To use extractor character must have more than 5,5 mil SPs for the very first use (and then you can suck him dry)

or

2) to use the extractor character must always have over 5,5 mil SPs.

Thank you for clarification.

Cheers! In that case I can just biomass my alt, those 2 mils SPs over the limit are not worth to think about.