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An Appeal for Diplomacy - Minmatar Militia
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Nameira Vanis-Tor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2016-02-04 14:30:10 UTC
Greetings Capsuleers,

I have grown deeply concerned at the level of conflict growing amongst the Tribal Liberation Force. It would appear that TLF loyalists of distinction in their own endeavours have managed to find cause to create a level of conflict that puts the fight against the Amarr Empire under serious risk.

I would like to remind capsuleers loyal to the TLF that it was not so long ago that the whole of the warzone flew the Amarr flag. I urge all those involved who remember those dark times to remember the grim determination we had to destroy our old foes, when internal conflict was not an option and each pilot, corporation, alliance and coalition was valued for whatever it could contribute to the cause.

As an ex-TLF pilot who remembers those times I urge those in positions of influence and leadership in the modern militia to find common ground no matter how small and try to lay the foundations for stopping the slavers from pushing the borders of the Empire back to our door step. If you must disagree please do not do so over un-encrypted channels, you only harm the militias professional image and make recruitment of future freedom fighters harder.

As you well know the Rebublic will not help you out there. Every opportunity squandered means more Minmatar who have recently tasted freedom having to choose to flee the 24th Crusade and lose their homes or perhaps keep their homes and re-attach the shackles they have learnt to live without. I dread to think what methods of 're-education' the Empire would deploy on those unfortunates.

Whilst the bright light of a liberated warzone recedes into the distance try not to let your disappointment turn you against each other. There will always be another opportunity and as immortals you can afford to be patient.

Nameira Vanis-Tor
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#2 - 2016-02-04 14:53:00 UTC
You seem to think warzone control has even the slightest impact planetside. That's sort of cute and all, but don't let the proxy wars deceive you into thinking they are anything but a distraction that can be used by the cunning to provide inspiration and symbolism elsewhere, no more.

Besides, this particular fire needs to just burn out. It's a contest between hard-headed egomaniacs and overly "pragmatic" bloodthirsty warmongers, neither of which have anything but disgust for the other. Frankly, it doesn't much matter to me which of the two come out on top, as neither side have even the slightest or most tenuous loyalty to any of the ideals or strengths of the Tribes in the first place. Six up and half a dozen down, whichever way it goes.

I don't think I could be more pleased with being "irrelevant" at this point, just being able to sit back and watch, as we do our own thing without getting involved with either of the two blocs. One side dancing to Dead Terrorists' tune, the other holding their noses up at such unsavory association while cuddling up to blooder and EoM psychopaths while sticking their fingers in their ears and humming real loud.

No loss, whichever takes the brunt of this conflict.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#3 - 2016-02-04 15:55:33 UTC
Every Chaos Fighter and TLF member is a direct enemy of Caldari State and Amarr Empire.

They are to be destroyed on contact, diplomatic approach to them can be considered as pusillanimity or straightforward treason.

DEATH TO ALL ENEMIES OF THE STATE!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#4 - 2016-02-04 17:18:26 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

DEATH TO ALL ENEMIES OF THE STATE!

Doesn't that include Heth? He was officially an outlaw to the state in his final days if I remember correctly...
In that case wouldn't supporting him make said person traitorous to the state?
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#5 - 2016-02-04 17:21:53 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

DEATH TO ALL ENEMIES OF THE STATE!

Doesn't that include Heth? He was officially an outlaw to the state in his final days if I remember correctly...
In that case wouldn't supporting him make said person traitorous to the state?

No.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#6 - 2016-02-04 17:23:31 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

DEATH TO ALL ENEMIES OF THE STATE!

Doesn't that include Heth? He was officially an outlaw to the state in his final days if I remember correctly...
In that case wouldn't supporting him make said person traitorous to the state?

No.

Oh, alright. My bad.
Silvox Lunae
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2016-02-04 17:59:54 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

DEATH TO ALL ENEMIES OF THE STATE!

Doesn't that include Heth? He was officially an outlaw to the state in his final days if I remember correctly...
In that case wouldn't supporting him make said person traitorous to the state?

No.

Oh, alright. My bad.


Admirable effort, but ultimately pointless Ms. Vess. I am certain you have browsed these channels long enough to understand that Ms. Kim's sentiments are solely her own and not reflective of majority State opinion.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#8 - 2016-02-04 18:38:36 UTC
Ya, I know. Can't say I didn't try right? Honestly sometimes forget how seemingly out of touch she can be.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#9 - 2016-02-04 20:18:18 UTC
I would appreciate if you don't pay attention to any unrelated scum, spreading lies about me. Thanks in advance.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#10 - 2016-02-04 20:18:58 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Every Chaos Fighter and TLF member is a direct enemy of Caldari State and Amarr Empire.

They are to be destroyed on contact, diplomatic approach to them can be considered as pusillanimity or straightforward treason.

DEATH TO ALL ENEMIES OF THE STATE!

This has absolutely nothing to do with the Amarr Empire or the State.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2016-02-04 21:09:44 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Every Chaos Fighter and TLF member is a direct enemy of Caldari State and Amarr Empire.

They are to be destroyed on contact, diplomatic approach to them can be considered as pusillanimity or straightforward treason.

DEATH TO ALL ENEMIES OF THE STATE!

This has absolutely nothing to do with the Amarr Empire or the State.

And what if you'll observe it more carefully before replying?

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#12 - 2016-02-04 21:13:04 UTC
Luna Hanaya wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Every Chaos Fighter and TLF member is a direct enemy of Caldari State and Amarr Empire.

They are to be destroyed on contact, diplomatic approach to them can be considered as pusillanimity or straightforward treason.

DEATH TO ALL ENEMIES OF THE STATE!

This has absolutely nothing to do with the Amarr Empire or the State.

And what if you'll observe it more carefully before replying?

He is a tribal. I doubt he could do it anyway.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#13 - 2016-02-04 23:18:19 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Luna Hanaya wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Every Chaos Fighter and TLF member is a direct enemy of Caldari State and Amarr Empire.

They are to be destroyed on contact, diplomatic approach to them can be considered as pusillanimity or straightforward treason.

DEATH TO ALL ENEMIES OF THE STATE!

This has absolutely nothing to do with the Amarr Empire or the State.

And what if you'll observe it more carefully before replying?

He is a tribal. I doubt he could do it anyway.

Does the State pay on commission for stupid, useless insults about peoples heritage, or is this a charity service you provide? Straight

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#14 - 2016-02-04 23:24:14 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Luna Hanaya wrote:
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Every Chaos Fighter and TLF member is a direct enemy of Caldari State and Amarr Empire.

They are to be destroyed on contact, diplomatic approach to them can be considered as pusillanimity or straightforward treason.

DEATH TO ALL ENEMIES OF THE STATE!

This has absolutely nothing to do with the Amarr Empire or the State.

And what if you'll observe it more carefully before replying?

He is a tribal. I doubt he could do it anyway.

Does the State pay on commission for stupid, useless insults about peoples heritage, or is this a charity service you provide? Straight


The State embraces the concept of charitable donation.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#15 - 2016-02-05 00:17:56 UTC
Well this got off topic quickly, yes there are political tensions in the Milita and we are handling them as best we can and as diplomatically as possible. Though I admit every times Mizhara speaks I can't help but be amazed at how she sees enemies even where there are none.
Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2016-02-05 00:36:05 UTC
ValentinaDLM wrote:
Well this got off topic quickly, yes there are political tensions in the Milita and we are handling them as best we can and as diplomatically as possible. Though I admit every times Mizhara speaks I can't help but be amazed at how she sees enemies even where there are none.

This happened also seven years ago, when peoples like Mizhara attacked CONCORD and Empire, they saw us enemies where there were none.

I don't think anyone of us ever wanted anything bad for any of them, they lived their lives, we lived ours. But no, they needed someone to attack. Looks like they weren't satiated with their aggression against us and now it's your turn.

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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#17 - 2016-02-05 00:36:43 UTC
Saying this as a friend Val, image is everything. I'm not saying it to criticize but its kinda an easy sight for her to see, rightfully so or not.
Sinti Vailatti
Angelis Exploration
#18 - 2016-02-05 02:36:43 UTC
Maybe people in the TLF are finally getting tired of banging their collective heads against an unbreakable wall?

Maybe if they truly cared about Matari interests, they'd try building something instead of bombing something?

Like, you know...a working government?

“Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?”
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#19 - 2016-02-05 02:44:24 UTC
We have the tribes. We have a republic that tries to unify them somewhat. What isn't atleast slightly working?
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#20 - 2016-02-05 04:14:52 UTC
ValentinaDLM wrote:
Well this got off topic quickly, yes there are political tensions in the Milita and we are handling them as best we can and as diplomatically as possible. Though I admit every times Mizhara speaks I can't help but be amazed at how she sees enemies even where there are none.


The combat records speak for themselves. Your pet psychopaths are quite demonstrably the enemy, when they slaughter non-combatants in Tribe space, as well as other TLF combatants. This is quite simply not disputable. When this changes, and a quick glance at the public records show that it hasn't, then there'd be room for... 'interpretation', as it were.

I don't care who you shoot outside Tribal space, but you can't just expect me to ignore it when your pilots actively slaughter my people in my people's space.
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