EVE General Discussion

Space shouldn't be so small that a few groups can control so much of it.

Lack of alternatives for alternative play styles does not mean a need to turn asside current play structure (entirely)

Create alternatives and let players vote with their feet, ...er with their ship bound pods... can't walk far in a locked rubber room

They need to experiment on ways for dead spaces or temporary worm holes with timed duration enterances to create small Fleet Pvp opportunities outside of major gate camps.

- Faction loot and complexes should be largely moved to within these temporary space

-, entrances should be from far flung portions of the galaxy

- so that the pve desire for faction loot will require a vulnerablity to attack by small fleets of non capital ships, perhaps mutiple gangs meeting each other at once with similar goals of gankage

The change to 0.0 would be a diminishing of exlusive access based on control to certain types of loot... yet their control of space would still allow them better access to the constantly opening and closing pipes of a slightly different purpose and design to the existing permanent worm hole system (which should be left in place as it is for the most part.. this suggestion shouldn't change their situation at least)

Give new players more skillpoints. When people just pick up a game they want to play it a lot because it's new and shiny but the starting stuff is not very interesting or rewarding in eve, it needs to be quicker to get into at least level 3 missions (BC's) or do something more than just tackle in PvP.

No matter what, the game will have to change or just learn to enjoy a dwindling population. Dust will come on board, but if players handle that the way they usually do, that population will just get scammed, killed by the people who hire them and those players will quickly spread the word about how worthless EVE is. Its the same with any new player in EVE. We treat them like crap, the game does nothing to keep them interested and then the players cry " why doesn't anyone want to play with us?". Because, as a general rule, EVE players suck.

EVE needs to market itself better and it needs something better to market. WIS was not stupid. It was just handled by stupid people. More importantly though, the players must market themselves better if this game is going to do well. As it stands, Alliances as a whole are counter productive to the success of EVE as a game.

Good systems tend to attract good players. The current playerrs are the most active part of this system. Unfortunately though, the player base is broken at the moment and it shows. The forums are repetative. New ideas are brushed aside by elitist attitudes, the players do nothing but b*tch at each other, self included. the only activities really going on in EVE are just griefing with the exception of the Russian civil war going on right now. I know Goons tried to make their invasion seem like a big deal, but it wasn't. Next time try attacking some space that's occupied by something other than bots and a few security patrols.

I see Seleene is over on Failheap wondering why people aren't asking a bunch of questions about the CSM meeting in December. Nobody cares what the CSM has to say over there either. That forum is even more boring these days than it ever was. Jester's Trek is about the last actual interesting blog out there. CSM really showed what they were about and that resulted in a lot of people thinking the CSM has been a failed experiment. I tend to agree. Again though, player failure.

We, the players, are the most broken part of the game. If we look at ourselves and honestly try to improve, then perhaps your population problem will improve.

Want an idea?
Here's an idea.

How about everyone in high/lo sec grows or buy a pair of brass balls, get a credit card with at least a $1000 cap, max it out on PLEX, sell the PLEX, buy super uber fleets, invade 0.0, bomb the hell out of it, shotgun a 6 pack of Natty Ice, break the bottles over their heads, and call it a night.

Also, it's spelled Eve.

Having a reason to do anything in game right now is also a problem. Agian, its the players at fault. Null is determined to crap on anything that isn't what they want to do, whether its in high, low or null sec. If anyone is stupid enough to think that suppressing activity promotes good feelings for you, then you should be banned from reproducing IRL. It means thee is something genetically wrong with you. That's probably why you're still wonerding why people don't want to play with you. Pull your head out and give oxygen a try.

If all you can come up with is a spelling dispute, then I guess I might have hit the nail on the head. As for the spelling of EVE, look up. Look at the header. then look at the orange links at the top. Hmmm. I'm not saying I don't make mistakes. I make more than my fair share actually.

I like the idea of giving FW a real roll in the game. They could possibly be supported sometimes by NPC Empire fleets. It could work as an Incursion style system only in reverse in response to severe criminal activity. Empire moves into low and possibly part of null. The effect would be a change in sov level temporarily. Structures already in place would not be effected. This causes map fluctuations on a temporary basis, working on a cool down mechanic. NPC participation withplayer participation from FW. FW recieves special LP rates and rewards for responding. Opposing Factions are also incorporated into the "gross injustices" of the incursion/invasion. Both factions basically get a special F.U. card that gives them different and broad powers of engagement to scan, sieze and shoot in the affected areas of operation. All systems and rules return to normal after the cool down. this would really jack up traditional choke points but creat new ones, temporarily.

Maybe not the best idea, but it beats another structure grind. there's just so much more that can be done in EVE.

Lets look at that. It isn't as much about corruption (although that seems to be a core value in EVE) but more about making poor choices based on what appears to be poor knowledge. It must have been hard to still type while laughing so hard you were probably crying, claiming no self interest on the part of the CSM! Please!

1. The only place that DOESN'T have ludicrously easy isk is low sec and probably Faction Warfare (although I have not played FW). Everything else has plenty of money if you're willing to rat. A lot. Call them missions or sanctums or anoms or incursions, they are all the same thing. they just have different names. They all have their risks, but null's huge alliance securty systems are no secret and high sec is currently MUCH more dangerous than null. Hands down.

2. The content isn't different enough to warrant such a statement. they just have different drops and bounties. The frequency and levels are better in null sec, but low sec isn't worth going to for any reason really. So no. There isn't new content in 0.4 space to speak of. It's just tweaked a little.

3. how can you claim to know what is of interest to high sec? You are not everyone and there is plenty of evidence on the web that says otherwise. People have different goals. If everything is based off of money and power, explain Farmville. There is no actual reward to that game. World of Tanks is just 15 minute grind sessions on a few maps, over and over, but its pointless since there is little gained in the end. Call of Duty 4 is STILL going strong with no updates for ages. These games are all different and people play them for different reasons, regardless if you feel they should or not.

4. Focusing on things that are important to you, you mean. If that statistic (which is probably a "magic number" was true, then a vast magority of the players don't agree with you about what is or isn't important. Again, that's just you. It's a sandbox. Nobody has to follow your lead on anything. They just play the game the way they like.

5.Those reballancing issues, heck ALL those issues, have been posted on the forums for years. Don't even claim credit for CCP's "saving our own butts" business model of late. Take credit for the sun rising to while you're at it.

PL was never part of that equation... they work for highest bidder and got some strict contract rules as i understand it..
PL is actually the answer for all those "ruining the game" thing.. If there is nobody willing to pay because there is non conflict they will have to create some... or die out.

I'm off to my RL job, so I won't be responding any time soon. Here's a parting thought though.

I enjoy exploration. How about random high-end scannable sites?

These are not regular sites. They are unlocked when enough skillpoints (all 5s) are achieved and high end scanning equipment and ships are used. I leave implants out of this since they should still just improve odds, not be a minimum requirement.

The sites are not sec level specific and could appear in any system, if the right pilot is looking in the right place at the right time. There are no regular spawn sites and spawning can't be increased by any mechanism. To say "rare" is an understatement. There may not be anything of value, but it might simply be visually interesting. There may be items that are just strange, like the head in a jar. They may start a rare mission story line. they might be very valuable and/or heavily defended. They may not be defended, but require special skills and equipment.

Not much reward, but could be quite interesting. Interesting to some, not to others. It may be nothing more than a goal for someone.

Also, including FW in high sec defense doesn't require programming. Devs can issue security contracts to factions for hulkageddon. They have come for pew-pew after all. =)

it is unlikely that I will be here to see whatever CCP plans to do with EVE in 2012, but i am quite sure that either nullsec will stop being the only endgame, or EVE will die out of boredom.

Why?

Because. Nullsec. Is. Boring.

It's a bloody chore, a second job, a neverending list of rules, fly by the book or die. It's like being a pilot in bloody ATC space. Use a scaner, jump to a celestial, use intel chanels, scout, do this, do that, blah blah blah... just to fuking travel from A to B!!! And combat, wow, let FC tell you what to do, who's primary now? Cant even go take a pee without somebody bloody watching your back...

Whereas hisec is a sort of bush flying... You can roam the skies, land anyhwere, kill NPCs, mine, trade... whatever you like. It's free, it's fun. Well, sort of fun. As there is not really a point in flying in hisec, you know? And, also when nulleccers grorw tired of being a cog, they come to fuk hiseccers.

So you start as a free pilot and the ultimate goal you are pushed to is to become a cog or leave...