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[petition] Public disclosure of CONCORD findings on Vigilant Tyrannos

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Ran Asahi
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#41 - 2016-02-02 01:45:18 UTC
While I'm doubtful we'll receive a response, I'm ready to be proven wrong. Signed.
Visera Tuulinen
Doomheim
#42 - 2016-02-02 04:27:58 UTC
Listen to us. Signed.
Laskin Veldstar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2016-02-02 06:16:13 UTC
If the CONCORD assembly, its DED arm, or other member committees have information regarding the Drifter situation that would otherwise be actionable by the capsuleers in defense of those throughout New Eden, and this information is knowingly and conscionably made inaccessable, then the deaths of hundreds of millions are on these governing agencies hands.

May CONCORD's actions, or inaction truly be one thing or another, this much is certain, it will have either allowed for the events that will follow day-to-day as a consequence of their silence on the Drifter situation, or will have been powerless to prevent it. I urge CONCORD to show its relevance in the modern age, release the information, or be dammed to the annals of human progress.

Signed,

Laskin Veldstar // Capsuleer
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Veskin Sentinel
White Pearl Initiative
#44 - 2016-02-02 12:44:34 UTC
I support this petition.

I am sure CONCORD has some important information about the Drifters and it would be wise to share it with those of us that are concerned and involved in dealing with the conflict that has arised. There is no need of public statements, but they should contact us and share what they have learned.

Signed.

www.veskin7.blogspot.com - my EVE related blog.

Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#45 - 2016-02-02 16:58:31 UTC
Signed.

@lunettelulu7

Jajuka Cirim
#46 - 2016-02-02 23:35:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Jajuka Cirim
Never have I felt more concerned about Drifters and the activities of Circadian Seekers, than in the presence of ostensibly "high security systems". CONCORD appears content to twiddle its thumbs while capsuleers are hounded or destroyed by these invaders. EVEN when CONCORD officials are witnesses on grid. This absence of action provokes thoughts of conspiracy or ineptitude. I'm not sure which disturbs me more.

Signed.
Markus Vulpine
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2016-02-03 00:42:26 UTC
Signed
Davos Seaworth
Seaworth Capital Expenditure
#48 - 2016-02-03 08:19:21 UTC
We want this. Signed
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#49 - 2016-02-03 09:26:18 UTC
I support this petition.

Admittedly more capsuleer ships have been lost to Concord than to Drifters. Just saying.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Grooz 2000
Imperial's Capsulers
#50 - 2016-02-03 22:24:42 UTC
What kind of are a threat drifters ?
During a the invasion of Amarr space, they damage the infostructures Empire? They attack the civilian targets?
I remind.
Drifters opens fire only in response to aggression !
Amarr Empire should stop fighting against the drifters, thereby saving the a million lives Amarr military.
Do not let mistakes of the past.
This war is a terrible retribution finale.
The Empress would still be alive, she would have prevented this war.
Remember that she was talking about drifters.

In this world you can not influence events.

We can only accept this or leave. (с) Best friend

iyammarrok
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2016-02-03 22:36:05 UTC
Grooz 2000 wrote:
What kind of are a threat drifters ?
During a the invasion of Amarr space, they damage the infostructures Empire? They attack the civilian targets?
I remind.
Drifters opens fire only in response to aggression !
Amarr Empire should stop fighting against the drifters, thereby saving the a million lives Amarr military.
Do not let mistakes of the past.
This war is a terrible retribution finale.
The Empress would still be alive, she would have prevented this war.
Remember that she was talking about drifters.


Yes, if i remember the transcript right she was saying something about burning the unholy menace from all creation...
Would have stopped the war indeed, with the destruction of all of the drifters, or all of Amarr.

Didn't turn out so well.
This information needs to become available to those who are in a position to actually DO something.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Ace Lapointe
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2016-02-03 23:10:48 UTC
Since you seem to want to blame the Amarr for this, I will say, it was Capsuleers who engaged first, and with the passion of madmen we did it, before they even were a threat, when they were just an unknown, we didn't know if they were here on a mission of peace or destruction, but as per normal, the capsuleers blood lust meant that the target had to be destroyed with little care to it's origins or reasoning. So, stop blaming the Amarr and the scriptures, it is our fault in the long run, the Drifters could have turned hostile because we were hostile, we attacked before we knew anything, had we held our ground and studied them from afar instead of proving with are nothing but tools of war, we might have a stronger footing, a defense if anything, but no, so just stop your bickering and trying to blame the mortals, we brought this upon them if anything, so be quite, and stop trying to blame the mortals, that are easily 10 times our betters, at least they believed in something besides greed and had something other then shallow pride.

Those Amarrian's who engaged the Drifter threat did so with pride in their hearts and prayers on their lips, and they fought with honour, even when they knew they would die, and they continued to fight after the Empress was lost, so don't talk down and blame them, you are only proving how low you are compared to them, so cease your disrespect.

Librity and freedom, by His divine light.

Regards, Ace Lapointe,
Pirate-knight of Ishomilken
Sinjin Mokk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2016-02-04 02:37:31 UTC
For what little it's worth,

SIGNED.

The Empress of the Amarr Empire is dead, thousands of Khanid and Amarr are dead, and CONCORD continues to withhold information that very well could save lives here in Khanid and throughout the Empire.

CONCORD was supposed to be a political entity designed to create peace. Instead, they have given us endless war between Empire, Republic, State and Federation. As much as I've found them distasteful, they did nothing to preserve what little life could have been saved among the Jove. They failed utterly in protecting the citizens of this galaxy from the plague that is Sansha. They do not address at all, the long-term threat posed by Rouge Drones. And now, they keep secrets regarding this most dangerous of emergent threats, The Drifters. Even when a Head of State is assassinated, they withhold information? And all the while, their coffers swell under the weight of ISK that we provide for them? This is not the creation of peace or the defense of Order, this is the very definition of corruption.

A petition to CONCORD is more grace then they deserve. If they continue to refuse to abide by the laws they expect us to follow, why should we feel morally compelled to follow theirs?

"Angels live, they never die, Apart from us, behind the sky. They're fading souls who've turned to ice, So ashen white in paradise."

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
#54 - 2016-02-04 03:25:16 UTC
Grooz;

Have you fought the Drifters? Assisted the Imperial fleet in their battles against the Drifters?

I suspect you haven't. Had you, then you'd know that the Drifters have indeed attacked stations, leaving the Imperial Navy defending wreckage and recovery operations.

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Grooz 2000
Imperial's Capsulers
#55 - 2016-02-04 03:32:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Grooz 2000
Ace Lapointe wrote:
Since you seem to want to blame the Amarr for this, I will say, it was Capsuleers who engaged first, and with the passion of madmen we did it, before they even were a threat, when they were just an unknown, we didn't know if they were here on a mission of peace or destruction, but as per normal, the capsuleers blood lust meant that the target had to be destroyed with little care to it's origins or reasoning. So, stop blaming the Amarr and the scriptures, it is our fault in the long run, the Drifters could have turned hostile because we were hostile, we attacked before we knew anything, had we held our ground and studied them from afar instead of proving with are nothing but tools of war, we might have a stronger footing, a defense if anything, but no, so just stop your bickering and trying to blame the mortals, we brought this upon them if anything, so be quite, and stop trying to blame the mortals, that are easily 10 times our betters, at least they believed in something besides greed and had something other then shallow pride.

Those Amarrian's who engaged the Drifter threat did so with pride in their hearts and prayers on their lips, and they fought with honour, even when they knew they would die, and they continued to fight after the Empress was lost, so don't talk down and blame them, you are only proving how low you are compared to them, so cease your disrespect.

Librity and freedom, by His divine light.

Regards, Ace Lapointe,
Pirate-knight of Ishomilken


Disrespect for to whom who blindly believes in God ?
Stop military operations against drifters and they will go away ourselves.

Quote:
For what little it's worth,

SIGNED.

The Empress of the Amarr Empire is dead, thousands of Khanid and Amarr are dead, and CONCORD continues to withhold information that very well could save lives here in Khanid and throughout the Empire.

CONCORD was supposed to be a political entity designed to create peace. Instead, they have given us endless war between Empire, Republic, State and Federation. As much as I've found them distasteful, they did nothing to preserve what little life could have been saved among the Jove. They failed utterly in protecting the citizens of this galaxy from the plague that is Sansha. They do not address at all, the long-term threat posed by Rouge Drones. And now, they keep secrets regarding this most dangerous of emergent threats, The Drifters. Even when a Head of State is assassinated, they withhold information? And all the while, their coffers swell under the weight of ISK that we provide for them? This is not the creation of peace or the defense of Order, this is the very definition of corruption.

A petition to CONCORD is more grace then they deserve. If they continue to refuse to abide by the laws they expect us to follow, why should we feel morally compelled to follow theirs?


Can more in detail about of civilian casualties.
Especially contribution of the Kingdom, I just do did not see the Kingdom of the fleet in time of combat operations against the drifters

I believe that the Empress did not want this war with the Drifters. She found a way to get rid of the disease, from the evil.
The evil that threatens the entire universe.
And you blindly under the guise of pride rush into battle without thinking about the consequences.
Once again.
If the Empress would have been alive, she would have stopped this war, without bloodshed ..

In this world you can not influence events.

We can only accept this or leave. (с) Best friend

Grooz 2000
Imperial's Capsulers
#56 - 2016-02-04 03:47:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Grooz 2000
Makoto Priano wrote:
Grooz;

Have you fought the Drifters? Assisted the Imperial fleet in their battles against the Drifters?

I suspect you haven't. Had you, then you'd know that the Drifters have indeed attacked stations, leaving the Imperial Navy defending wreckage and recovery operations.


Was I watched.
The stations are located in the territory of an invasion, they attack stations that have been deployed in time of the invasion.
They are attacking stations which was built Amarr forces during the invasion.
Once again, drifters fire back?
Drifters destroy merchant ships?
Drifters bombard the planet?
Drifters attacked the other heir to the throne?
Drifters attacked the trading stations?
Why drifters attack is the Amarr Empire?
Why Drifters started the attack only after the declaration of war to them.

You generally have studied enemy before declare war against them ?

In this world you can not influence events.

We can only accept this or leave. (с) Best friend

Ace Lapointe
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2016-02-04 03:47:55 UTC
Mr. Sinjin Mokk

Expect us to follow their laws.. A large, hell, I will o with a majority of Capsuleers break their laws, since we came into being, and we have both fought against them, and helped those who are against them, why should they have to do anything for us? Capsuleers have done more bad then good for the CONCORD organisation.

And once again, the Drifters were neutral, they did not attack, they watched, we, the selfish prideful Capsuleers attacked first in our greed, we could be the reason they are hostile now, you don't know, and they are not required to do anything for the empires, they are here to perserve what peace they can, and they have stopped all major wars from re-occurring, while Capsuleers make a mockery of their system, and then you expect them to tell you anything? Honestly, if CONCORD put out a notice to all Cloning Bays to be destroyed, I would assist them before terminating myself, we are but tools of war, we should expect nothing.

And to Mr. 'Grooz',

You disrespect those who follow something bigger then their own selfish ambitions and pride? That only proves how pathetic your own goals, that you can't even hold a light to the mortals that fight with more pride then you. And you mean stop military operations against the things we killed.. For fun? And what.. Expect them to just give up cause we don't want to shoot no more? Are you that daft? How about I come shoot whatever you love in the head, and then I will put my gun back in the holster and walk away, and then you can cease hostile actions, does that make sense? No, it doesn't, if you want to be an Immortal Mr. 'Grooz', at least act like you deserve the curse, rather then speak like a child.

And well said Mr. Priano.

Regards, Ace Lapointe
Pirate-knight of Ishomilken
Grooz 2000
Imperial's Capsulers
#58 - 2016-02-04 04:01:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Grooz 2000
Ace Lapointe wrote:
Mr. Sinjin Mokk
And to Mr. 'Grooz',

You disrespect those who follow something bigger then their own selfish ambitions and pride? That only proves how pathetic your own goals, that you can't even hold a light to the mortals that fight with more pride then you. And you mean stop military operations against the things we killed.. For fun? And what.. Expect them to just give up cause we don't want to shoot no more? Are you that daft? How about I come shoot whatever you love in the head, and then I will put my gun back in the holster and walk away, and then you can cease hostile actions, does that make sense? No, it doesn't, if you want to be an Immortal Mr. 'Grooz', at least act like you deserve the curse, rather then speak like a child.

And well said Mr. Priano.

Regards, Ace Lapointe
Pirate-knight of Ishomilken


Do you know the enemy's motives?
You have studied the motives of the enemy?
What threat are drifters?
Facts Facts I need.
And if this is the hand of God drifters? And the they came save the child of God from evil.

If you would like to drifters destroy us all, they would be beaten on all central systems.
You saw how they killed the Empress, do you think they are so difficult to destroy all the stations in New Eden?

In this world you can not influence events.

We can only accept this or leave. (с) Best friend

Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#59 - 2016-02-04 04:11:25 UTC
Grooz 2000 wrote:
Ace Lapointe wrote:
Mr. Sinjin Mokk
And to Mr. 'Grooz',

You disrespect those who follow something bigger then their own selfish ambitions and pride? That only proves how pathetic your own goals, that you can't even hold a light to the mortals that fight with more pride then you. And you mean stop military operations against the things we killed.. For fun? And what.. Expect them to just give up cause we don't want to shoot no more? Are you that daft? How about I come shoot whatever you love in the head, and then I will put my gun back in the holster and walk away, and then you can cease hostile actions, does that make sense? No, it doesn't, if you want to be an Immortal Mr. 'Grooz', at least act like you deserve the curse, rather then speak like a child.

And well said Mr. Priano.

Regards, Ace Lapointe
Pirate-knight of Ishomilken


Do you know the enemy's motives?
You have studied the motives of the enemy?
What threat are drifters?
Facts Facts I need.
And if this is the hand of God drifters? And the they came save the child of God from evil.


Fact: Some idiots decided to use their smaller ships as target practice
Fact: They don't seem to like the Amarr
Fact: They have shot at us, as Sinjin Mokk and many others can attest to.

Who cares who started it, feel free to curl up in a ball and die, think a lot of us would prefer to defend ourselves. Who cares if they're the hands of god or weapons, or whatever Amarrian nonsense your going on about? We're weapons of humanity, who will win the war of attrition is the only real question here.
Grooz 2000
Imperial's Capsulers
#60 - 2016-02-04 04:14:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Grooz 2000
Not for nothing did not interfere Concorde as Empire to blame for this war. Ask yourself the question that been on the ship which underwent testing, what kind of equipment been on the ship, and why this in time testing ship, drifters attacked.

Remember once and for all, before the start a war, study of the enemy. Try to understand his purpose and what he wants.
You are even tried to establish contact with them, to my knowledge they are the descendants of Jove. Refer to the Jove.
You are start of another war, which is waiting for you to defeat.
The senseless war.
I hope that the new ruler of the Empire understands this and stop this war.

In this world you can not influence events.

We can only accept this or leave. (с) Best friend