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DED complex loot drops nerfed, ruined.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2016-01-22 16:11:45 UTC
Relic exploration is steadily going up in profitability, due to the ever high and rising demand for T2 salvage materials.

I'm my own NPC alt.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#22 - 2016-01-22 17:41:24 UTC
Inquisiteur Karamasov wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
It's kind of ironic actually. Every time an explorer loses an astero, stratios or a ship fitted with a sister launcher or probes they pay me for new ones.

I'm sure you can appreciate the irony in that.


yeah and some times ago the value of the lp on Soe was about 2200-2400isk per lp, now is hard 2000isk so that make my point more people do it the demand stay the same so the value go down. on this way it will arrive a moment the soe lp will worth nothing.

SOE LP worth has pretty much been steady at 1700-2200isk/lp since the SOE ship came out a year and half ago now? check the graphs in game.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#23 - 2016-01-22 18:05:43 UTC
Borges08 wrote:
What are we as explorers supposed to do now to make isk? For example, the best drops, pithum c-type shield booster (4/10) are 55mil, as opposed to the usual ~300, pithum a-type shield booster (6/10) are 282m, as opposed to the usual ~1.1-1.3bil.

How is it even possible to make money and fund plexes which have doubled in price 1.1-1.3bil each? Makes absolutely no sense at all.


I'm curious: How did you reach the conclusion that anything had been "nerfed"? You know CCP doesn't directly control the market prices, right?

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

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Altair Taurus
#24 - 2016-01-23 23:17:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
Not so long ago I experienced nerf of low-sec DED sites spawning rate. Now I am reading here about nerfed DED loot prices. I can also confirm drops from Serpentis high-sec DEDs are pure crap because I ran many of those in Onyx lately. That's abysmal...
Ace Lapointe
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2016-01-23 23:32:58 UTC
Guys, you do know all the prices for DED loot is controlled exclusively by players right? Someone has to buy half those terrible modules for a price so low because the market is flooded, hence why the only good ones are the rare drops. Stop complaining and saying it is CCP's fault, it is all our fault, we do them to much we ruined demand, we nearly all sell them for ISK flooding the market, CCP tried to help by nerf'ing spawn rates, hence lowering the amount of modules, hence rising the prices to a good level again, but 90% of you bastards complaining do nothing but run Sites like a bot, and then ruin the prices again, yourselves.

You want to make really good ISK doing DED's and Sites? Go down to Null, find a nice pocket, make some friends and sell out in Null where Cap pilots and Ratters buy their shiny stuff, and not in Jita where there are 500 other people doing the same thing you are.

Common sense guys, use it.
Altair Taurus
#26 - 2016-01-23 23:48:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
In null-sec It's much simpler to rob explorers from this shiny stuff by setting up a silly gate-camp. Lol
Ace Lapointe
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2016-01-23 23:56:45 UTC
Altair Taurus wrote:
In null-sec It's much simpler to rob explorers from this shiny stuff by setting up a silly gate-camp. Lol


How often do you go to Null? I live in Null, I know maybe 2 area's that get gate camped regularly, within 50 jumps of my base, Null is very empty, it is the entry systems that are camped, also, if you want to make ISK you have to RISK it, or, as I say, risk it for the biscuit, don't complain that you aren't making ISK in risk free High Sec.

EVE is about risk vs reward, more risk, bigger reward.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#28 - 2016-01-24 02:29:12 UTC
Where did the guy you quoted complain that he wasn't making that in high sec?




Ace Lapointe wrote:
Altair Taurus wrote:
In null-sec It's much simpler to rob explorers from this shiny stuff by setting up a silly gate-camp. Lol


How often do you go to Null? I live in Null, I know maybe 2 area's that get gate camped regularly, within 50 jumps of my base, Null is very empty, it is the entry systems that are camped, also, if you want to make ISK you have to RISK it, or, as I say, risk it for the biscuit, don't complain that you aren't making ISK in risk free High Sec.

EVE is about risk vs reward, more risk, bigger reward.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#29 - 2016-01-24 03:53:25 UTC
Altair Taurus wrote:
Not so long ago I experienced nerf of low-sec DED sites spawning rate. Now I am reading here about nerfed DED loot prices. I can also confirm drops from Serpentis high-sec DEDs are pure crap because I ran many of those in Onyx lately. That's abysmal...


Excellent. Please stop your exploration activities immediately and go in search of greener pastures.
Orlacc
#30 - 2016-01-24 05:09:11 UTC
The RNG has been nerfed????

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Ace Lapointe
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2016-01-24 05:30:17 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Where did the guy you quoted complain that he wasn't making that in high sec?




Ace Lapointe wrote:
Altair Taurus wrote:
In null-sec It's much simpler to rob explorers from this shiny stuff by setting up a silly gate-camp. Lol


How often do you go to Null? I live in Null, I know maybe 2 area's that get gate camped regularly, within 50 jumps of my base, Null is very empty, it is the entry systems that are camped, also, if you want to make ISK you have to RISK it, or, as I say, risk it for the biscuit, don't complain that you aren't making ISK in risk free High Sec.

EVE is about risk vs reward, more risk, bigger reward.



Quote: "Not so long ago I experienced nerf of low-sec DED sites spawning rate. Now I am reading here about nerfed DED loot prices. I can also confirm drops from Serpentis high-sec DEDs are pure crap because I ran many of those in Onyx lately. That's abysmal..." - Altair Taurus, 2016
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#32 - 2016-01-25 08:27:44 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Perhaps stop showing bot-aspirant behaviour and mercilessly farming these sites so as to reduce supply, and thereby allow the forces of supply and demand to increase prices?



Yeah, you go tell that to the CFC and her veritable legions of ratting carriers.

Good luck.
Altair Taurus
#33 - 2016-01-26 23:42:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
"Week of truth" is coming... RollLol
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#34 - 2016-01-27 18:41:51 UTC
I already have told them that - in fact, I mailed several prominent individuals within the CFC to inform them of that very point. Next!



Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
Perhaps stop showing bot-aspirant behaviour and mercilessly farming these sites so as to reduce supply, and thereby allow the forces of supply and demand to increase prices?



Yeah, you go tell that to the CFC and her veritable legions of ratting carriers.

Good luck.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#35 - 2016-01-27 20:19:09 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
I already have told them that - in fact, I mailed several prominent individuals within the CFC to inform them of that very point. Next!



Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
Perhaps stop showing bot-aspirant behaviour and mercilessly farming these sites so as to reduce supply, and thereby allow the forces of supply and demand to increase prices?



Yeah, you go tell that to the CFC and her veritable legions of ratting carriers.

Good luck.



What top men?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#36 - 2016-01-27 20:24:24 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
I already have told them that - in fact, I mailed several prominent individuals within the CFC to inform them of that very point. Next!



Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
Perhaps stop showing bot-aspirant behaviour and mercilessly farming these sites so as to reduce supply, and thereby allow the forces of supply and demand to increase prices?



Yeah, you go tell that to the CFC and her veritable legions of ratting carriers.

Good luck.



What top men?


Top......Men
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#37 - 2016-01-27 20:41:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
Estella Osoka wrote:
Market Economy brah! If the supply is there, but the demand isn't; prices drop. If demand is there, but supply isn't; prices rise.


1. supply
2. demand
3. ?
4. profit

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Ginnie
Doomheim
#38 - 2016-01-27 22:06:10 UTC
First of all, I run combat sites often and sometimes you win, sometimes you win BIG, and sometimes you "lose." I enjoy them because of the randomness of the different sites. Exploration is like a box of chocolate, you never know what you are going to get!

Also, with regards to the market, I've seen Faction Ammo swing pretty radically within a couple of weeks. I placed some on the market not to long ago at almost 800K, the price two weeks later was around 400K, then a few days later mine sold. Like the NYSE, swinging widely!

It sounds plausible enough tonight, but wait until tomorrow. Wait for the common sense of the morning.
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#39 - 2016-01-31 00:24:46 UTC
I've been playing 9 months and I feel like my Serpentis loot has been pretty steady

@lunettelulu7
Funky Koval
Bad Artists
#40 - 2016-02-01 18:04:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Funky Koval
I have run over twenty 5/10s and 6/10s in the past month and I have to say that it's mostly a psychological issue with me.

When you know that a site can drop 800+ mil in modules, and you keep getting mostly poop it really starts feeling like an unrewarding grind (which in all honesty, it actually kinda is).

Still not the worst return on your time in terms of isk/hr, although you need to hit that good drop once in a while in order to really make it worthwhile. In my case, at least I got a boatload of pirate cruiser BPs, so I average probably above 200 mil per site (bounties etc included).

But then again, I do remember the times when a Pithum C invuln was worth two PLEX ... Hisec exploration was the king, no risk, huge profits - one just had to go the right way about it to be able to beat the competition. I guess this kind of goodness will not return anytime soon ;).

What has changed, really is not that it's not profitable , or "ruined", it's just that - as some previous posters have said - the prices of a lot of the loot have dropped, while the price of PLEX steadily raises. The net result, combat site exploration feels a lot more work/grind now, and less fun than it used to be

Which, obviously, is not such a good thing in a game...
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