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henlo Noud
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2016-01-21 22:26:56 UTC
Hi. I have all subsystem skills for the proteus at V, and kinda want to use it. I have not too much experience with cruiser pvp (mainly do frigates). So wanted to ask here (hope it is the right subfora?) before I end up on the wrong end of an embarrassing loss mail. The proteus fits that are around seems to be mostly for wormholes, and often blasters. I thought about warping in on people running sites in lowsec, pehaps decloak on the way in and scram kite them at 12-14 km. I would like to hear if people think it would work(I am a little concerned with the damage tbh.), or if a lachesis which i can also fly would be better?

[Proteus, power prot]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Domination Medium Armor Repairer

50MN Microwarpdrive II
Caldari Navy Warp Scrambler
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800

250mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump II

Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Proteus Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector

Nanite Repair Paste x50
Cap Booster 800 x8
Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M x600
Spike M x500

Stats:

All skills at V, with PG 4 implant


Damage OH- 422 DPS out to 18 km
EHP 30895
878 ehp/s repaired, OH 1091 ehp/s
Armor es: Em 68.1% Therm 79.3% kin 89.6% explo 61.1%
scram range 14.6km /OH 17.5km
wb range 14km/ OH 18.2km
capstable at 55%
speed 1546 m/s/ OH 2206m/s
sig: 960m
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2016-01-21 23:36:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
seems squshy for a t3, imo go buffer and blasters.

also , if you want to fly Armour t3's invest in a high-grade slave implant set,
its hard to understate how much of an effect they have.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#3 - 2016-01-22 01:08:13 UTC
You are trying to use Frigate tactics with a ship known for beefiness and facemelting... not speed and utility.

I HIGHLY recommend that you play around with the Thorax (and later on the Brutix) before you use a Proteus. Bigger ships require different tactics and mentalities.

How did you Veterans start?
Orlacc
#4 - 2016-01-22 01:45:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Orlacc
As mentioned, the Proteus is best as a brawler.



I have used this with much success for what you say you wish to do:

[Proteus, Explorer Popper]

Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Steel Plates II
Federation Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

50MN Microwarpdrive I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Warp Scrambler II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
henlo Noud
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2016-01-22 08:38:09 UTC
Thanks very much for the replies. Had hoped it would be viable without blasters as that seem to be the way everyone fits it. I do understand the points about it being beefy and not too agile, though. Will practice in the thorax to get comfortable with the blaster setup, perhaps throw in an occational brutix untill I would be comfortable flying something like Orlacc posted, then.
Garrett Osinov
Doomheim
#6 - 2016-01-22 08:40:45 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
As mentioned, the Proteus is best as a brawler.



I have used this with much success for what you say you wish to do:

[Proteus, Explorer Popper]

Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Steel Plates II
Federation Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

50MN Microwarpdrive I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Warp Scrambler II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors


Nice fit, you spent few hundred mills on damage mods and fit t1 rigs.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#7 - 2016-01-22 10:16:30 UTC
If only the proteus didn't have a decloak targetting delay that would prohibit you from the very thing you are trying to do with the wrong boat.

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Kalihira
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#8 - 2016-01-22 10:21:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalihira
I actually like your fit alot. You can keep out of the enemies scram, deal good dps and have gtfo ability. You have a good tactic to go with it. Only thing I would change is trading one magstab for a bit more resists
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#9 - 2016-01-22 10:57:48 UTC
Kalihira wrote:
I actually like your fit alot. You can keep out of the enemies scram, deal good dps and have gtfo ability. You have a good tactic to go with it. Only thing I would change is trading one magstab for a bit more resists

overheated 400 dps is not good on this boat.

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Aplysia Vejun
Children of Agasul
#10 - 2016-01-22 12:06:16 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Kalihira wrote:
I actually like your fit alot. You can keep out of the enemies scram, deal good dps and have gtfo ability. You have a good tactic to go with it. Only thing I would change is trading one magstab for a bit more resists

overheated 400 dps is not good on this boat.

True. I would just tank this poor damage
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#11 - 2016-01-23 03:47:37 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Aplysia Vejun wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Kalihira wrote:
I actually like your fit alot. You can keep out of the enemies scram, deal good dps and have gtfo ability. You have a good tactic to go with it. Only thing I would change is trading one magstab for a bit more resists

overheated 400 dps is not good on this boat.

True. I would just tank this poor damage

Moreover, you can still hit out to 12 to 14 km with Neutron Blaster loaded with Null ammo. You'll be in deep falloff, but you'll have far better tracking than with 250mm railguns with a FAR higher potential for damage at closer ranges.

How did you Veterans start?
henlo Noud
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2016-01-23 09:59:18 UTC  |  Edited by: henlo Noud
ShahFluffers wrote:

Moreover, you can still hit out to 12 to 14 km with Neutron Blaster loaded with Null ammo. You'll be in deep falloff, but you'll have far better tracking than with 250mm railguns with a FAR higher potential for damage at closer ranges.


I got the point loud and clear Big smile. Was just trying to experiment, didn't do it well and learned from it. I am still not feeling sure if I wanna sit in a 1 bill slow buffer brawler tbh. even if it deals out high DPS. Your GTFO ability is bad if something goes wrong (the hunter being the hunted). I don't like this too much, and have accepted this is not the ship for me. I just wish I had not trained for it now, and invested in the ship but hey perhaps I will do some WH stuff or smartbombing in the future, who knows.
Wander Prian
Nosferatu Security Foundation
#13 - 2016-01-23 11:37:04 UTC
Proteus is a fine pvp-ship with either blasters or rails, but it's just not a very good solo/small gang ship, because it's a slow brick. It work well as a fleet-ship when you have backup to help you get around the negatives.

Wormholer for life.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#14 - 2016-01-23 11:43:05 UTC
henlo Noud wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:

Moreover, you can still hit out to 12 to 14 km with Neutron Blaster loaded with Null ammo. You'll be in deep falloff, but you'll have far better tracking than with 250mm railguns with a FAR higher potential for damage at closer ranges.


I got the point loud and clear Big smile. Was just trying to experiment, didn't do it well and learned from it. I am still not feeling sure if I wanna sit in a 1 bill slow buffer brawler tbh. even if it deals out high DPS. Your GTFO ability is bad if something goes wrong (the hunter being the hunted). I don't like this too much, and have accepted this is not the ship for me. I just wish I had not trained for it now, and invested in the ship but hey perhaps I will do some WH stuff or smartbombing in the future, who knows.

just a thought but the ship is fine, more your lack of a gang to fly it with being the issue here.

if you are looking to go hunting you should find a group that does this and join up,
you will learn much faster and expensive hulls like the Proteus become waaaay more viable

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Orlacc
#15 - 2016-01-23 15:45:15 UTC
Garrett Osinov wrote:
Orlacc wrote:
As mentioned, the Proteus is best as a brawler.



I have used this with much success for what you say you wish to do:

[Proteus, Explorer Popper]

Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Steel Plates II
Federation Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

50MN Microwarpdrive I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Warp Scrambler II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors


Nice fit, you spent few hundred mills on damage mods and fit t1 rigs.



So sorry it was an old fit and you are right. I will not argue with a year old capsuleer. But why is a guy who NEVER pvps offering advice here?

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Mysa
EVIL PLANKTON
#16 - 2016-01-23 17:59:22 UTC
rail prot is for fleets whit deadspace tank and reps, never forgett!

for solo sneaky bizzniz try


Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Damage Control II
Federation Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer

Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump II

Proteus Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Proteus Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Proteus Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors

Nanite Repair Paste x150
Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M x1500
Void M x1500
Null M x1500
Navy Cap Booster 800 x10

reps, "dps" cloaky, safe, killah! its does need a few 5% imps and a Ca1-4 set. But man if you gonna go t3c dont be cheap yo!

SoloFoLife! -KEKE the Merlin wonder
henlo Noud
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2016-01-23 19:54:14 UTC
Thx for the replies, they have been pretty insightful, and I have something to work on with now
Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
#18 - 2016-01-28 18:39:19 UTC
Concerning the Cloaky Proteus as a solo pilot, you're either hunting ships in combat sites in which case the posts above are fine, or you're hunting stabbed relic/data/gas explorers. If that's the case check out the faction smarty version first suggested by Trinket's Friend and made popular by Bex (I mention this only to give you another proteus option).

If you want do Cloaky kiting, you're probably going to be better off with the Loki in Heavy Rapier mode. Its dps is anemic, but at least it's somewhat selectable.

Most people have settled on the idea that the Strat is probably the best Cloaky solo killer right now.

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#19 - 2016-01-29 18:50:39 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
Garrett Osinov wrote:
Orlacc wrote:
As mentioned, the Proteus is best as a brawler.



I have used this with much success for what you say you wish to do:

[Proteus, Explorer Popper]

Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Steel Plates II
Federation Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

50MN Microwarpdrive I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Warp Scrambler II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Proteus Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors


Nice fit, you spent few hundred mills on damage mods and fit t1 rigs.



So sorry it was an old fit and you are right. I will not argue with a year old capsuleer. But why is a guy who NEVER pvps offering advice here?



Because he wouldn't put T1 rigs w/ faction mag stabs on a proteus?