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To earn ISK, what is worth doing in this game?..
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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#61 - 2016-01-26 03:13:35 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Chasida wrote:
Take a look at my first post. I was asking for advice on how to make isk in this game, because it was going SLOW for me. Far slower then I expected after all those patches after I left years back. I were honestly wondering what to do to make better isk. When I came down to null sec I was expecting far better rewards from ratting.

I said one option for me was to go back to high sec and make a second account, also asked twice which would be the best ships for me to duo with. But this is kinda my last resort, if I am not able to make more isk down in null sec.

I also wrote earlier today, the thread started heading down just one road very early on, by people that do not understand I cannot make 100 mill a day ratting in my current ship. I have used many hours doing data and relic sites, just to find out its not really worth it. And people just keep telling me over and over how stupid I am for not already having 100s of millions of isk, after I have tried to tell several times I do not have yet the isk to be in a ship able to do so.

I wouldnt be here in the first place makeing this post in the if I were able to farm Havens for '100s of millions isk a week'! Yes I know now (only the last few days, after trying several things) that to be able to make good isk in null sec I need to be able to do the highest combat sites (sadly nothing else is really worth it), but I have the last few days not been able to make isk enough to get me a good enough ship. Yes I have been given fittings that can do the job, but lack the isk, which I am trying to get by doing lower sites/belts...

And sorry if I came across as a troll, was never my intention...


100 million a week is basically in, "Here's some ISK I accidentally accumulated while floating around doing random ****," territory.

And relic sites in the right space still pay fairly well. I've pulled close to 100m from a single Sansha relic site in salvage alone.

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Jacques d'Orleans
#62 - 2016-01-26 03:15:29 UTC
Chasida wrote:
Well I do not have ship in null sec that can earn me 'hundreds of millions in a few days', its not good enough. My current ship is capable of about 6 mill an hour or so.


6M isk/hour, three hours a day is 18M/day, which is 126M isk/week.
So if that's not enough for a start, i don't know.

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Greenbaumberk
5 Jungs
#63 - 2016-01-26 09:45:56 UTC
I was thrown into nullsec as a bloody noob who had no idea of anything and pretty limited assets.
After a week of getting used to the sites i was able to pull billions out of it with every activity so many players have recommended in this thread.
You dont have to have the best and most blingiest ships. Some relic sites net really much isk.

Just dont expect to get spacerich after two days.
Chasida
Instant Annihilation
#64 - 2016-01-26 12:40:00 UTC
Its good to hear that Relic/Data sites can be worth the time! So far sadly I have not been lucky, or maybe I have been, I just do not know it, because I have no clue what normal data/relic site loot is worth. In my area I have found nothing to have any value to speak of when I search market with a relic/data site items. Checked some prices on Jita also, being worth close to nothing. Sure I know, I can read the estimated value of my cargo hold after a few site and it can say for example 20 mills, but the problem is there is no market for it, its not like I got that amount in isk in my cargo, I cannot just sell it all in a station.
What items from Relic sites are worth anything?

From data sites I know, it can give BPCs that can give good money. So far I have encountered 4 BPCs, 3 I got, 1 blew up. None of them sadly was worth anything to speak of. And this is after about 20 hours or so doing data/relic sites. So to get anything of value, a good amount of luck is needed (I have been able to hack almost all cans I have found, very few blew up). So the difference from making a few mill in 'normal loot items' and a few 100 mils from a BPC is a huge amount of luck.

Greenbaumberk, thank you for your reply, but your kind of answer is what typical frustrate me. For you to bring in BILLIONS of isk (billionS is not 1000 mill, its 1000S of millS, plural, making 1 bill is FAR from making billionS <- plural) out of null sec in a week with limitless resources, you need an huge amount of luck, and help. First you need to get a ship able to actually do the best Signatues/DEDs (this is a ship worth close to 100 mill or more, this alone will take hours to get starting from 0 or just a few mills, most likely a couple weeks for many players that arent given the ship), and then you need a lot of luck to get very rare BPCs from data sites/and or rare drops from combat/DED sites. This is not normal at all, and not something the normal average player will experience! I have done hours of belt ratting and combat sites, not seen 1 single rare valuable item. And as I wrote, I have also done many hours of data/relic sites, and not gotten 1 valuable item. So this is not the normal, its the exception.

So posts like that is very miss-leading and borderline false. Its like saying in real life that everybody can earn millions of dollars in a week, when you base that of you winning the lottery...in other words not realistic and is based on pure luck (or someone giving you the winning numbers). And no I am not flaming you, but I am 'alergic' to these kind of 'blanket statement' replies on MMO forums, which are in fact sadly very common (I play/have played several MMOs). They only lead to people getting very unrealistic expectations in MMOs, just to get very disapointed and frustrated later on when they do not even remotely experience the same thing.
No offense.
Greenbaumberk
5 Jungs
#65 - 2016-01-26 16:09:58 UTC
Sorry I didnt mean to offend you.

I made the billions in the weeks after I settled in.
I started with a really ****** T1 fitted myrmidon. I also had two unused slots on that ship in the beginning. My second ship was a Magnate with mediocore scanning and hacking skills and T1 hacking equipment.

Relic sites had been worth from 4-80 million per site. With an average of 20 million or so per site. Sometimes i got lucky and found BPCs. The most expensive of that was sold for 300 million via contract.

On top of that i mined ice, with mediocore skills in a procurer.

Even with my limited time, i had back then in 2014, it was pretty easy to make good money in nullsec.
Chasida
Instant Annihilation
#66 - 2016-01-27 06:55:14 UTC
Greenbaumberk wrote:
Sorry I didnt mean to offend you.

I made the billions in the weeks after I settled in.
I started with a really ****** T1 fitted myrmidon. I also had two unused slots on that ship in the beginning. My second ship was a Magnate with mediocore scanning and hacking skills and T1 hacking equipment.

Relic sites had been worth from 4-80 million per site. With an average of 20 million or so per site. Sometimes i got lucky and found BPCs. The most expensive of that was sold for 300 million via contract.

On top of that i mined ice, with mediocore skills in a procurer.

Even with my limited time, i had back then in 2014, it was pretty easy to make good money in nullsec.


None taken! How do you calculate relic sites are worth that much pr site (or for that matter data sites)? Which items are the good ones? Or are in in an area with a lot of people buying the stuff in null/low sec? I know datacores from data sites are used for research, but never got the impression it was even remotely that much worth...
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2016-01-27 11:07:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Neuntausend
Chasida wrote:
First you need to get a ship able to actually do the best Signatues/DEDs (this is a ship worth close to 100 mill or more, this alone will take hours to get starting from 0 or just a few mills, most likely a couple weeks


Oh no! Multiple hours or even a couple of weeks to reach high end content in an MMOG?! That's really harsh! Unheard of!

Forgive me for being sarcastic, but to me it sounds like you want to go from nothing to space rich without putting any effort into it. I am sorry, that's not going to happen.

Get to work man! In the time frame of this thread, living in nullsec, most players would have been able to finance a VNI to run Havens and FHubs.

If the market in your space is terrible, ... well, don't try to sell your loot in your space. Find a way to get it out. Gather up a bunch of loot, Talk to your Corp- and Alliance members and one of them will sure know a way to get your stuff to Jita. Especially when it's just blueprints and maybe a bit of salvage, you could cram a courier contract into about any jump freighter that's headed to jita anyway - they probably won't charge you an arm and a leg for that. (and if they do - abandon ship and move on)
Then clone jump there and sell your stuff.
Jacques d'Orleans
#68 - 2016-01-27 11:52:50 UTC
OP tbh, i think you are a hopeless cause, but somehow i like hopeless causes!

Serious advice: Don't waste your time losing shytefitted ships, go mining or take the advice the others in here gave you.

Breakfast is the most important drink of the day.
Thorian Baalnorn
State War Academy
Caldari State
#69 - 2016-01-27 13:42:53 UTC
You could take a brand new alt, train for about 3 months , and make 50-100 mil an hour. In the time you were training that alt you could get in a cheap ship and piddle around empire and make a few hundred million to buy and fit the ship you will need to make that kind of money.

As for selling loot. Most often the place that pays the most for direct selling is jita. sometimes one of the other trade hubs will pay a little more, but not often. Is it worth running to jita or your local hub? Thats what eveprasial is for.

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