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Fanny-Basher
Industrial Mining and Mayhem
Sigma Grindset
#21 - 2016-01-26 22:01:25 UTC
Neuntausend wrote:
Lame. Please put in more effort next time.


When you get insulted by a goon it's time to move on
Fanny-Basher
Industrial Mining and Mayhem
Sigma Grindset
#22 - 2016-01-26 22:04:54 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Seriously, wtf is this?

Also, screw them bankers!

HTC damn mobile auto corrtect eve terminology
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#23 - 2016-01-26 22:05:49 UTC
Fanny-Basher wrote:
Trolls welcome its just a question and I was hoping for sensible comments not keyboard warriors. In high security space one would think it's safe until the inevitability happens. Eve is changing anyone do the mass test for citadel?


If you want sensible comments, then you need to write a sensible question. As it stands, people are having trouble making sense of it. If it is full of typos, please go fix them.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
#24 - 2016-01-26 22:11:04 UTC
Fanny-Basher wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Seriously, wtf is this?

Also, screw them bankers!

HTC damn mobile auto corrtect eve terminology


Autocorrect can't explain the remainder of the incoherent post.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#25 - 2016-01-26 22:19:25 UTC
Fanny-Basher wrote:
... I was hoping for sensible comments not keyboard warriors. ...
These forums are really dead for a MMO of this size. Want to guess why?

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#26 - 2016-01-26 23:22:07 UTC
Now that you've corrected, it is somwhat readable.

Fanny-Basher wrote:
What do people think of this

As hi sec is supposed to be a security controlled why not make it so you cane activate aggressive mods while in hisec unless target is thief has suspect or pirate or killrights and duel? But not neutral. Ganking has not happened to me in a freighter but I imagine it has a impact on players that are restricted and gankers just make New toons and keep doing it or a harsher punishment? Ideas welcome I just think in hisec you should be sort of safer lol.
emphasis added.

You are safer in highsec.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

David Therman
#27 - 2016-01-26 23:59:28 UTC  |  Edited by: David Therman
High security does not equal total security. The end.

Honestly, some of the biggest adrenaline rushes I've had have come about from the fear of imminent destruction and loss of prized assets by way of 1400mm artillery, simply because I carelessly hit "Dock" on Jita 4-4 instead of warping to the insta-dock BM. Removing that fear would make high-sec so, so dull.
Mercury Madullier
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2016-01-27 00:24:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Mercury Madullier
YES. Got in before a CODE agent chimed in.

Seriously though OP. Let me take you down your own train of thought and try to help you understand why the security mechanic is fine the way it is.

You are sitting in highsec. You no longer have to worry about gankers. If someone commits a criminal act in hisec their victim only receives 1 hp of damage and the ganker's ship explodes. Life is good. You laugh and scoff at the fools that join corps. Fools want to risk loses ships in a wardec? That is fine by you. You have a decent PvE battleship and can make enough isk to sub your account with little problems.

So, what is next for you? Join a Corp? No, you have already decided that risking PvP in hisec is foolish. You can handle it in a controlled environment where you can pick and choose when you are at risk but no need to subject yourself to it. What to do? As you look over you r prospective opportunities one thing becomes blatantly clear, there is no nitch market. Everyone has a leg up on you no matter what you do. In fact, those fools in corps have access to manufacturing and reprocessing facilities that allow them to make and products at a price that would force you to take a loss on whatever you make. You consider trading but there are huge capital investment requirements before you can start making decent isk. Hauling but with hisec clear of gankers, you are again a small fish in a big pond. The profit margin very slim. That battleship was fun for the first week but some of the missions take you into lowsec and you have already had a few close calls.

It is at this point you say to yourself "I wish there was a way to get better at PvP. Something with some risk but not too much. Just enough to learn the basics.

That is when you reach your moment of complete clarity and realize the very thing you needed, even now want, you demanded they take away from you.


My advice is to pause your skill training for a week or two, create a second toon and train it, and fall headlong into PvP/ corps/risk and see what you are missing. At the very least you will get insight into how the other half lives.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#29 - 2016-01-27 00:25:10 UTC
0/10
Avvy
Doomheim
#30 - 2016-01-27 00:27:48 UTC
Fanny-Basher wrote:
What do people think of this

I just think in hisec you should be sort of safer lol.


There are others that think the opposite.


I think high-sec is a mess of forced tactics due to it trying to cater for everyone.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#31 - 2016-01-27 00:31:02 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Fanny-Basher wrote:
... I was hoping for sensible comments not keyboard warriors. ...
These forums are really dead for a MMO of this size. Want to guess why?

It's against the rules to talk about that.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#32 - 2016-01-27 00:31:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
The OP seems to be labouring under the misconception that High Security=Total Security; it does not.

Highsec is only as safe as you make it for yourself. Concord aren't there to to protect you, they are there to punish those who commit the only punishable offence in highsec, which is unsanctioned aggression.

An analogy would be a game park.

  • Concord are the wardens, they allow the inhabitants to become fat and juicy targets, to form their own herds if they desire, and they punish poachers.
  • Concord sell the rights to kill the inhabitants of the game park, specifically those that have formed herds, to hunters on safari; in this analogy herds are player corps and wardec corps are the hunters.
  • Gankers are analogous to poachers, they kill what they can catch without paying their dues and, unless they can engineer a situation where a kill is "legal", they always get punished for it.
  • Some players are more akin to natural predators, they use the environment and the ignorance of others to engineer situations where the majority of their kills are "legal" and thus Concord leaves them be for the most part. This group includes both hunters and the more cunning poachers, sometimes it includes people who would normally be considered prey.
  • Faction Police are gamekeepers, their primary purpose is to discourage poachers and other undesirables.


TL;DR Highsec isn't meant to be safe, the whole crimewatch mechanic was written to reflect that, and gankers are very much working as intended.

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Pix Severus
Empty You
#33 - 2016-01-27 01:21:00 UTC
Fanny-Basher wrote:
I just think in hisec you should be sort of safer lol.


lol

Vincent Athena wrote:
Ive for a long time wondered what horrid thing would happen if ganking in high sec was removed. I don't mean things like "eve would not be eve anymore", I mean what actual events would transpire, in what order, that would result in CCP closing the servers? What would be the chain of events? What would be the drivers behind each step in that chain of events?


At a guess:

1) CCP removes ganking from highsec
i) Most gankers leave the game or reabsorb into low/null alliances
ii) Huge protest, unsubs, the works
iii) Giant smug-filled circlejerk from carebears
2) A few months later..
i) Highsec grows silent as carebears don't talk to each other in local
ii) Carebears realise that without risk, EVE has lost that element of danger that makes it worth playing in the first place
iii) Carebear subs drop dramatically
iv) EVE is on life-support
3) Some clever guy makes his own "spiritual sucessor to EVE", filled with the danger that EVE now lacks
i) Everyone moves over to that game
4) EVE dies

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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#34 - 2016-01-27 01:31:29 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
Fanny-Basher wrote:
I just think in hisec you should be sort of safer lol.


lol

Vincent Athena wrote:
Ive for a long time wondered what horrid thing would happen if ganking in high sec was removed. I don't mean things like "eve would not be eve anymore", I mean what actual events would transpire, in what order, that would result in CCP closing the servers? What would be the chain of events? What would be the drivers behind each step in that chain of events?


At a guess:

1) CCP removes ganking from highsec
i) Most gankers leave the game or reabsorb into low/null alliances
ii) Huge protest, unsubs, the works
iii) Giant smug-filled circlejerk from carebears
2) A few months later..
i) Highsec grows silent as carebears don't talk to each other in local
ii) Carebears realise that without risk, EVE has lost that element of danger that makes it worth playing in the first place
iii) Carebear subs drop dramatically
iv) EVE is on life-support
3) Some clever guy makes his own "spiritual sucessor to EVE", filled with the danger that EVE now lacks
i) Everyone moves over to that game
4) EVE dies

5. Then everyone at the new game complains that it needs to be more like eve.
6. Devs at new game listen to complaints and try make the game more dangerous.
7. Return to step 1.

My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#35 - 2016-01-27 01:38:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
@Iria & Pix :

Scarebears are like locusts or the Aliens from Independence Day, moving from game to game stripping the good stuff and leaving nothing but a barren landscape behind them.

EA would probably employ them like a shot Twisted

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#36 - 2016-01-27 02:19:07 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Fanny-Basher wrote:
... I was hoping for sensible comments not keyboard warriors. ...
These forums are really dead for a MMO of this size. Want to guess why?

Hipsters got to post where it's currently hip. It's OK, someday they'll mature and know that some thoughts need more than one sentence to explain.
Jacques d'Orleans
#37 - 2016-01-27 03:11:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Jacques d'Orleans
Fanny-Basher wrote:
Ganking has not happened to me in a freighter but I imagine it has a impact on players that are restricted and gankers just make New toons and keep doing it or a harsher punishment?


What do you mean with "players that are restricted"? Restricted in form of isk? Well then "don't fly what you can't afford to lose."
That's pretty much common sense, some could say and then...well you get the point.

Furthermore I would assume, that 90% of the High Sec ganks could have been easily avoided, just by a proper fitted ship or not autopiloting their ship. Those are pretty simple concepts, aren't they, but then again...well you get the point.
Tbh, when somebody is just to stupid or simply to lazy to fit his ship properly or to fly it himself instead of autopiloting it, he does deserve to be ganked.

I've lost ships too by those stupid things i've mentioned before, but instead of whining about it in the forums, i've asked the guys who killed my ships and got a very decent convo with them and they gave me a huge amount of infos, like how to avoid gate camps, how to fit my ship and so on.

Most HS Carebears see gankers as the living evil, i can assure you they are not, if someone asks them how to EVE, i'm sure that 99% of them will give you a convo with advice how to EVE.
And of course, before i forget it, having a proper mining permit is mandatory, it's just 10M isk! Blink
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#38 - 2016-01-27 05:32:43 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Fanny-Basher wrote:
... I was hoping for sensible comments not keyboard warriors. ...
These forums are really dead for a MMO of this size. Want to guess why?

It's against the rules to talk about that.


I lol'd politely.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#39 - 2016-01-27 05:42:05 UTC
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
I lol'd politely.

If I can bring a smile to your face with the work we make for you, all while volunteering, then that's a good day.

Glad you could get a lol out of it. ❤️
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#40 - 2016-01-27 17:58:00 UTC
Ginnie wrote:
I am a banker...we have a critical purpose to players in High Sec, Low Sec, Null and, yes, even WH space...


Screw them bankers? Ummm no...screw you, you get no more loans from us...enjoy your rookie ship



Er, no - screw you, actually...there is not now, then, nor will ever be a viable or actual bank (based on EVE's mechanics as they currently stand). Your 'profession' (such as it is) is basically just a figment of someone's deranged imagination, especially if you believe that 'bankers' (as they currently operate in EVE) are somehow integral to the continued operation and success therein.

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