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How can i improve my typhoon mission fit ?

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Cathablia Sarain
Broke-Ass Agency
#1 - 2016-01-24 14:46:44 UTC
Well looking at the fit.. it seems more or less complete for amarr level 4 missions

Where is my mission runner fit for amarr space

Highslots:
Drone Link Augmentor II
Cruise Missile Launcher II - Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II - Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II - Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II - Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II - Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II - Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile

Mediumslots:
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
500MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive

Lowslots
Large Armor Repairer II
Armor Thermal Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Rigs:
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Dronebay:
Curator II x4
Hobgoblin II x5

With my skill level (plus 3% implants) i get about 750dps (670dps with two BC) from missiles and 160dps from drones - and with all skills at level 5 you can get about +1100 dps with the missiles and drones in that fit..
And tanks about 360 - 450dps depending on what armor hardeners you fit.

Depending on mission and skills.. i can drop a BC for more tank.. or the DC for a Armor hardener.
Same goes for ammo and drones.
The fit does really great vs anything cruise size and up.. and can do more or less all missions without much problems.
Just needs alot skills to support the fit.. not that newbie friendly.

Was thinking going fleet typhoon for more tank and raw dps, just had alot of issues with drone aggro, compared to the normal typhoon.

I like armor, missile and drones..
Just cant get my self to jump into a rattlesnake or a mach.. I really dislike their look of the ship..
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#2 - 2016-01-24 15:22:51 UTC
You get more raw DPS with the fleet Typhoon but lose your damage application bonus. The Rattlesnake will still outperform either Typhoon, but fly what you love.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Uriam Khanid
New Machinarium Corporation
#3 - 2016-01-24 15:53:22 UTC
and what problem you have with drone aggro on fleet phoon?
Cathablia Sarain
Broke-Ass Agency
#4 - 2016-01-24 15:58:25 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
You get more raw DPS with the fleet Typhoon but lose your damage application bonus. The Rattlesnake will still outperform either Typhoon, but fly what you love.


Well atm i got minmatar battleship level 4, so with a fleet typhoon i would just be able to replace the Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I with a Large Warhead Flare Catalyst II to get the same appication
And replace the Large Armor Repairer II with a Core C-Type Large Armor Repairer to get nearly the same tank.

But how come the fleet typhoon has aggro issues with drones ?.. Does the RoF helps with aggro with the normal typhoon ?
Cathablia Sarain
Broke-Ass Agency
#5 - 2016-01-24 16:01:32 UTC
Uriam Khanid wrote:
and what problem you have with drone aggro on fleet phoon?


Well i use the drones like i use to on the normal typhoon.. but somehow they get targeted instantly when i fly in the fleet typhoon..
And i use light and sentry drones, so aggro should not be an issue when i just use them with brains..
But somehow after the fleet typhoon gets the aggro.. and then deploy the sentry drones.. '
They get targeted by EVERY ship.. from small to large.. frigates, battlecruiser, battleships.. you name it..
I just cant get my head around why.. or how..
Uriam Khanid
New Machinarium Corporation
#6 - 2016-01-24 16:40:33 UTC
Cathablia Sarain wrote:

Well i use the drones like i use to on the normal typhoon.. but somehow they get targeted instantly when i fly in the fleet typhoon..
And i use light and sentry drones, so aggro should not be an issue when i just use them with brains..
But somehow after the fleet typhoon gets the aggro.. and then deploy the sentry drones.. '
They get targeted by EVERY ship.. from small to large.. frigates, battlecruiser, battleships.. you name it..
I just cant get my head around why.. or how..


so npc shoot your drones - exploite it!!!
on fleet phoon wil be better to replace 3 missile rigs just with 2 missile guidance computers with precision scripts
Cathablia Sarain
Broke-Ass Agency
#7 - 2016-01-24 17:38:09 UTC
Uriam Khanid wrote:
Cathablia Sarain wrote:

Well i use the drones like i use to on the normal typhoon.. but somehow they get targeted instantly when i fly in the fleet typhoon..
And i use light and sentry drones, so aggro should not be an issue when i just use them with brains..
But somehow after the fleet typhoon gets the aggro.. and then deploy the sentry drones.. '
They get targeted by EVERY ship.. from small to large.. frigates, battlecruiser, battleships.. you name it..
I just cant get my head around why.. or how..


so npc shoot your drones - exploite it!!!
on fleet phoon wil be better to replace 3 missile rigs just with 2 missile guidance computers with precision scripts


Well yea.. apart from that i mean, how the drones even when i wait to i get the aggro of everything.. even kill of the elite frigates and distroyers, then deploy the sentry drones.. they get targeted by everything..
With the normal typhoon i have no such issue.. and i can even deploy the drones on that and nearly go afk without loosing the drones..
Where fleet typhoon they seem to just get targeted right away..
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#8 - 2016-01-24 21:04:43 UTC
TFI does ridiculous DPS at high skill levels when shield tanked, it is as good as an RS. Application is not a problem with this ship at all.

It still is a nice upgrade to grow into for now, but it wont help completion times that much.

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Cathablia Sarain
Broke-Ass Agency
#9 - 2016-01-25 14:38:19 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
TFI does ridiculous DPS at high skill levels when shield tanked, it is as good as an RS. Application is not a problem with this ship at all.

It still is a nice upgrade to grow into for now, but it wont help completion times that much.


Yea i saw some really insane dps fits from a friend, and he said that, most faction battleships has drone aggro issue.. is that true ?
And the TFI would be an isk upgrade in that it does not use as meny missiles as the normal typhoon.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#10 - 2016-01-25 16:37:00 UTC
All ships occasionally have drone aggro issues. You can use a remote ECCM on one of the drones to reduce drone aggro (it works 99%+ of the time).

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Funky Koval
Bad Artists
#11 - 2016-01-26 04:10:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Funky Koval
IMHO armor tanking a phoon is a waste of its DPS potential.

On my TFI I go with MJD + AB + LSB shield tanking sniper fit.

6x cruises + 2 drone link augmenters in high.

This leaves all the low slots free for gank mods (well I do have the meta 4 damage control in there too).

This setup is very CPU intensive though (that's why I have the Genolutions and a CPU implant on my missioning clone) and ideally, you want to use faction ballistic controls and drone damage amps.

With the TFI, my fit will gives me close to 1300 raw dps (EFT). Application is not a real problem either, you just blap frigs and cruisers with your sentries, and demolish BCs and BSs with Furies.

If you are not willing / cannot afford to use bling gank mods, you can still get well over 1k dps with T2s, you'll just need a co-processor and/or a CPU rig.

I also have fitted one targeting range rig to get it above 100km, find it quite necessary with this setup as I don't always judge my micro-jump 100% accurately and then don't wanna waste time burning into targeting range..
Cathablia Sarain
Broke-Ass Agency
#12 - 2016-01-26 04:34:56 UTC
Funky Koval wrote:
IMHO armor tanking a phoon is a waste of its DPS potential.

On my TFI I go with MJD + AB + LSB shield tanking sniper fit.

6x cruises + 2 drone link augmenters in high.

This leaves all the low slots free for gank mods (well I do have the meta 4 damage control in there too).

This setup is very CPU intensive though (that's why I have the Genolutions and a CPU implant on my missioning clone) and ideally, you want to use faction ballistic controls and drone damage amps.

With the TFI, my fit will gives me close to 1300 raw dps (EFT). Application is not a real problem either, you just blap frigs and cruisers with your sentries, and demolish BCs and BSs with Furies.

If you are not willing / cannot afford to use bling gank mods, you can still get well over 1k dps with T2s, you'll just need a co-processor and/or a CPU rig.

I also have fitted one targeting range rig to get it above 100km, find it quite necessary with this setup as I don't always judge my micro-jump 100% accurately and then don't wanna waste time burning into targeting range..


so you dont use rigor rigs or target painters ?
Funky Koval
Bad Artists
#13 - 2016-01-26 13:49:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Funky Koval
I believe I have one rigor rig, one ionic (targeting range) and 1 other missile rig, can't say of the top o my head which one it is (flare most likely)

if you inisist on killing small fry with cruises, with so may low slots you can also fit a missile guidance enhancer, or even use precision cruise missiles, just play with it in eft and find a fit that's to your liking.

Me I am all about dps and completing the missions quickly, and I find drones deal with cruisers/frigs very well. The key here being proper use of the MJD, usually its one jump away after warp in, and then one jump back to the exit gate when there are still a few BSs left to kill to give the MJD time to recharge before entering the next pocket.

And no, no target painters.

EDIT just checked my fit ant indeed my rigs are as posted above. But now I am thinking of replacing at least one of the missile rigs with a warp speed rig, should actually be more beneficial (in terms of time saved) in the long run. Freeing up a bit of CPU being a nice side benefit.
vr0p
Non-Aligned Stellar Trading
#14 - 2016-01-29 21:45:17 UTC  |  Edited by: vr0p
Hey there, Typhoon is one of my fav ships, quite a few different ways to fly but I hate the MJD style, I feel so immobile. I like having the option to scoop sentries and zoom toward a gate or pick up that can. Although I use the fleet faction variant:

[Typhoon Fleet Issue]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Caldari Navy EM Ward Field
Caldari Navy Thermal Dissipation Field
Gist X-Type 100MN Afterburner
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
1200mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L

Large Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard II

Curator II x5
+10 misc drones


So yeah there's a price tag but those X-Types are actually inexpensive when compared to the performance increase they give. The tank and capacitor dont last forever, but it is usually not a problem since it kills so fast. First room of Sansha Recon is my benchmark, 6:13 is my best time which is faster than my Vargur which averages 7:30. The fit can be further pimped with faction invuln and tech II missile rigs (there's enough calibration, right?), but I dont think the price justifies the performance there. Note my hardener choice is because I spend most time against blood/sansha in Amarr space.

An untested but similar fit for the plain ol' Typhoon:


[Typhoon]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Caldari Navy EM Ward Field
Caldari Navy Thermal Dissipation Field
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Gist X-Type 100MN Afterburner

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]

Large Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Core Defense Charge Economizer II

Hammerhead II x5


If you want a drone nav in the highslot then Gist shield booster is required, which is a lot more expensive. There is only space in the drone bay for 5 sentries and nothing else, which makes me nervous on missions that pit you against scramblers at close range, so I opt for several flights of mediums and lights. Without sentries though, you are free to orbit and set up some transversal which might help it be tankier than the fleet issue version, but note it has much less total hitpoints.

Lastly, a vid a few months ago benchmarking the fleet typhoon with only a slightly different (and less efficient) fit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cO6l-K1Fec