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Tracking bonus on the Tempest fleet issue
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KitCat 01
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Till Doomsday
#1 - 2016-01-22 18:28:15 UTC
The Firetail, Stabber fleet issue and Hurricane fleet issue now have a 10% tracking bonus per skill level.
On the other side, the Tempest fleet issue is actually worse than his T1 equivalent in term of dps and only gain an additional low slot and some more CPU and PWG.

Is it possible for the Tempest fleet issue to get a sweet tracking bonus just like the firetail and hurricane fleet issue?
For now this faction BS isn't worst its price especially compared to his Tech 1 brother.
With the way I like to play, a tracking bonus would make it really good for artillery or more brawly fits just like the hurricane fleet and stabber fleet issue are really fun to play with.

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#2 - 2016-01-22 18:36:54 UTC
I think you answered yourself. +50% tracking for arty baked into the hull is too much. It's just too much to bake into a BS.
KitCat 01
Based And Redpilled.
Till Doomsday
#3 - 2016-01-22 19:00:51 UTC
I understand it seems very strong but arties struggle quite a lot in terms of tracking if you don't have 2 huggins webbing and target painting your target
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#4 - 2016-01-22 19:07:34 UTC
KitCat 01 wrote:
I understand it seems very strong but arties struggle quite a lot in terms of tracking if you don't have 2 huggins webbing and target painting your target



Which is commensurate with their alpha strike capability. Arties can't track a lot of the ships they can alpha. If they can suddenly track those ship, it would be fleet tempests online.

PROHINT: arties need to have trouble tracking the things they can alpha for game balance.
FT Cold
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2016-01-23 02:35:00 UTC  |  Edited by: FT Cold
Serendipity Lost wrote:
KitCat 01 wrote:
I understand it seems very strong but arties struggle quite a lot in terms of tracking if you don't have 2 huggins webbing and target painting your target



Which is commensurate with their alpha strike capability. Arties can't track a lot of the ships they can alpha. If they can suddenly track those ship, it would be fleet tempests online.

PROHINT: arties need to have trouble tracking the things they can alpha for game balance.


The hurricane fleet issue is capable of alpha striking many frigates and destroyers off the field, and a gang of them is capable of blapping cruisers with ease, and few see this as a problem. Machs boast exceedingly good application at range thanks to their falloff bonus, which when utilized, is a de facto tracking bonus.

Rebalancing the TFI to include bonuses in line with the rest of the minmatar gun boats would certainly yield a powerful ship that lends itself to fleet doctrines well, but it would hardly be game breaking. Even with a 50% damage bonus, for fleet applications, we'd see alpha numbers similar to arty maelstroms, as the ship's slot layout is poor for shield tanking.

In any event, It'd be rather nice to see battleship doctrines that contend with armor t3s.
Starrakatt
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
#6 - 2016-01-23 03:18:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Starrakatt
Serendipity Lost wrote:
I think you answered yourself. +50% tracking for arty baked into the hull is too much. It's just too much to bake into a BS.

- Apocalypse
- Dominix (drone tracking)
- Megathron
- Typhoon (explosion velocity)

- Navy Apocalypse
- Navy Megathron
- Navy Raven (explosion velocity bonus)

- Nightmare
- Vindicator

All have tracking (explosion velocity) bonuses. 7.5%. Looks nice to me.

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Frogleap Factories
#7 - 2016-01-23 10:05:25 UTC
Arty Machariel fleets are common, and they don't even sport any sort of tracking bonus. They are together with Rattlesnakes one of the most powerfull subcapital fleet composition you can get now. Giving the Tempest Fleet Issue the Hurricane fleet issue treatment will make it among the strongest subcapital fleet wise.

The only change i'd add to the Tempest Fleet Issue is giving it the 7.5% ROF bonus like the Tempest get's. And ofcourse a larger cargohold but that's what ALL battleships should recieve.

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Garnoo
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2016-01-23 11:34:28 UTC
just compare domi and navy domi bonuses...
navy hulls are just diffrent, not only improvement for standard hulls

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2016-01-24 21:35:41 UTC
The TFI just needs the rate of fire bonus increase like the Tempest got. Its DPS sucks because it gets standard-size bonus to a substandard-size group of weapons. It needs a bigger bonus.


But I'd support also changing its damage bonus to tracking. Would be nice to vary it up a bit.

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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#10 - 2016-01-24 21:59:47 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
The TFI just needs the rate of fire bonus increase like the Tempest got. Its DPS sucks because it gets standard-size bonus to a substandard-size group of weapons. It needs a bigger bonus.


But I'd support also changing its damage bonus to tracking. Would be nice to vary it up a bit.


Same here id defo vote for change over t1 hull just because diversity but at this point anything goes hull needs it.

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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#11 - 2016-01-24 22:06:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Mina Sebiestar
Serendipity Lost wrote:
I think you answered yourself. +50% tracking for arty baked into the hull is too much. It's just too much to bake into a BS.


Vargur have some 40% track bonus and you don't see them clearing up tranquility of all things moving while it helps over non bonuses hull 10% more would not brake the game.

Thing to remember its not just tracking that's a drawback to artys it is eternal rate of fire as well as lowish range and in case of battleship battlecruiser(if not lower) dps numbers.

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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#12 - 2016-01-25 18:12:42 UTC
5% per level would be good and not OP.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2016-01-25 18:43:47 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
KitCat 01 wrote:
I understand it seems very strong but arties struggle quite a lot in terms of tracking if you don't have 2 huggins webbing and target painting your target



Which is commensurate with their alpha strike capability. Arties can't track a lot of the ships they can alpha. If they can suddenly track those ship, it would be fleet tempests online.

PROHINT: arties need to have trouble tracking the things they can alpha for game balance.


It would not be fleet tempest online because the hull supply would dry out...
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#14 - 2016-01-25 19:00:00 UTC
Starrakatt wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
I think you answered yourself. +50% tracking for arty baked into the hull is too much. It's just too much to bake into a BS.

- Apocalypse
- Dominix (drone tracking)
- Megathron
- Typhoon (explosion velocity)

- Navy Apocalypse
- Navy Megathron
- Navy Raven (explosion velocity bonus)

- Nightmare
- Vindicator

All have tracking (explosion velocity) bonuses. 7.5%. Looks nice to me.



None of the listed ships can sport a full rack of damage bonused arty. 7.5% looks OP to me when combined w/ a damage/level or ROF/level bonus. It's too much for a full rack of arty.

It's about the full rack of arty. That's what makes it bad.