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algos fit for low sec belt ratting please

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alindak Kahoudi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2015-12-27 16:15:21 UTC
hi, new player here. (2mil sp)

training drones, 3 days away from t2 drones. looking for a fit for running belts in low sec with the Algos. AB preferred and drones.
thanks a lot.
Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
#2 - 2015-12-27 17:14:43 UTC
If you want to farm rats on destroyer, then you want one with guns, not drones.
You see, farming rats on dessies is NOT about range kiting (You can't project sensible dps far enough to skip the tank), farming rats on dessies is all about hugging your targets at 500m and shooting them as fast as you can. Usual way to go is Catalyst armed with ion blasters and fitting medium shield extender.
If you are not abusing create bookmark-bounce-warp to bookmark, then you are doing it wrong.
alindak Kahoudi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2015-12-27 17:38:38 UTC
I figured as much, thing is I'm already deep into drone training, I want to make it work on a drone boat if possible hence the topic.
Thanks all the same.
Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
#4 - 2015-12-27 17:43:43 UTC
General rules of fitting will be the same though. MSE, blaster rack, damage mods for blasters, drones. You look at same approach but with less bang for the buck. You still pop if anything even look at you, still orbiting at 500, but with less dps and worse effective application (You'll actually fall out the effective range more often when trying not to stuck in the rocks).
Jace Varus
Lemur Appreciation Society
#5 - 2015-12-27 18:25:34 UTC
https://o.smium.org/loadout/56869

Change the T1 stuff out for T2 if you can, that's just some groundwork for you. Also, extra midslot. Not sure if this is the best way to fit it though, since I mainly use shield tanked missile boats. Also, you'll want a Vexor later on, they're pretty good for most everything.
Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
#6 - 2015-12-27 19:09:49 UTC
Jace Varus wrote:
https://o.smium.org/loadout/56869

Change the T1 stuff out for T2 if you can, that's just some groundwork for you. Also, extra midslot. Not sure if this is the best way to fit it though, since I mainly use shield tanked missile boats. Also, you'll want a Vexor later on, they're pretty good for most everything.

No offense, but... plate with repairer? Hull rigs yet no DC? No damage mods? Link augmentors for "in your face" ship?

[Algos, Cheapskate]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Kinetic Deflection Field II

Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S
Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S
Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S
Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S
Light Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S
[empty high slot]

Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Algid Hybrid Administrations Unit I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Hammerhead I x3
Hobgoblin I x6

http://imgur.com/F092w0o
alindak Kahoudi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2015-12-27 19:57:20 UTC
this is great info, thank u very much, in few days i'll be able to fit t2 drones, so the dps should be higher. also, i'll be ratting B. raider do you think Lead charge would be better? how would YOU approach the rats with this fit? thanks.
Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
#8 - 2015-12-27 20:07:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Leila Meurtrier
alindak Kahoudi wrote:
this is great info, thank u very much, in few days i'll be able to fit t2 drones, so the dps should be higher. also, i'll be ratting B. raider do you think Lead charge would be better? how would YOU approach the rats with this fit? thanks.

Lead Charge is meh thing even for railguns (Because any sensible range covered nearly from the box). For blasters, it's absolutely pointless, especially if you'll take -59.4% dps of paper dps into consideration.

Flying this thing is somewhat brainless:
1)Roam around belts.
2)Find battleship rat(s) that close to a rock. DO NOT ENGAGE PACKS OF CRUISERS.
3)Bookmark that rock.
4)Warp away somewhere else.
5)Get back to bookmark at some range so you wouldn't stuck.
6)Lock, manual orbit and shoot.
7)Loot if you have to, then shoot the wreck to hide your presence to some degree.
8)Repeat.

You may take some salvage drones, but they will be painfully slow so probably it's best to skip salvaging. Whenever you are in belt/anomaly, you work on borrowed time.

Eh, if you go against bloods, swap rig and hardener to thermic and em one accordingly. (i.e. Thermic rig and EM hardener)
alindak Kahoudi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2015-12-27 20:12:18 UTC
hey,
thanks again for taking the time.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#10 - 2015-12-30 18:50:34 UTC
Plan on losing many ships unless you are the lucky one especially at first.

The belt rats in low can and will destroy your destroyer in the blink of an eye if you make a mistake.

While you are busy with managing range, not running into roids(see above), and your drones(count on them taking damage and needing to be recalled because of it) you will have less time to watch for the players that are there to kill folks like you.

And all of this is based on you being able to avoid gate camps.

While I commend you for your willingness and desire to jump straight into low sec ratting I would suggest a more cautious approach, which will give you a better chance of success in the long run and cost you less in ship replacement.

Start by running missions, especially level 3's as a way of getting used to managing your incoming damage, range, drones etc all while you are watching your d-scan almost constantly.

Go to low and just travel and explore around, practice using your d-scan and making and using bookmarks to safe spots. And remember when we say "safe spot" in low that is a relative term and not a literal one. Even more than any where else in the game the only safe spot(literal meaning) in low is inside a station.

Learn to use your in game map and web sites like DotLan to choose systems to go to and routes to use to reduce your exposure to players who want to kill you.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/

Last thing, good luck and happy ratting.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2015-12-30 19:48:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Froggy Storm
Also to go along with the idea of caution, there are a lot of organizations out there who are happy to take on low skill players and train them. Eve can be done solo but gawds is it boring and much harder in the short term if not overall.

That being said scout around for a low (or even Nul) organization's training wing and jump in their public/recruitment channel. Ask questions, make friends, and if the group culture or attitude isn't to your liking move to the next.

Next in terms of income I must agree belt rats in low are far from ideal to a low skill player. Missions blitzing 2 and 3s will pay better and have less risk of loss. Also consider exploration or PI, both of which can be jumped into with a minimum of training. I wrote a TMC guide of how to get a viable explorer up and running from scratch in two days. Granted that was a year ago so things may have changed but in principle the facts should be similar in terms of effort in vs reward out. Just look for an up to date guide.

Also cudos for wanting to just go right out there, too many good people get lost from boredom hearing about the "Terrors" outside of Hisec.

https://www.themittani.com/features/guide-become-eve-explorer-48-hours
alindak Kahoudi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2015-12-31 23:33:58 UTC
Hi, thanks all for the good advice I appreciate it.

I’m comfortable with low sec, in fact is where i spend most of my play time. I went right into exploration since 3rd day and that's all I've done tbh. I do wormhole surveying with an Astero; mark the entrances, scan the signatures, bookmarks and then go back late at night with a suicide run fitted magnate to run said sites. 50/50 chances. Pretty good money for a 3 week old pkayer. The idea behind the ratting was to start getting familiar with pve/pvp, I don't. Really like missioning that much. I’ve tried joining a corp but so far nothing that really fits. I enjoy flying solo but agree that the most potential for learning is being part of a group.

As for the destroyer, changed my mind and gonna wait to train cruiser instead, have a Vexor and a VNI already purchased and waiting for when the time comes lol. (I like to look at them when I login ;))) damn noob..) just working on my drones/core skills first. I figured cap/grid/shields/armor/mech are my priority right now, I want to be able to fit stuff.

So, that's where I'm at ATM. Thanks for your imput, greatly appreciated.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#13 - 2016-01-01 12:49:33 UTC
Leila Meurtrier wrote:
...amongst the worst fits I have ever seen...


Leila, what you wanted to fit was a Cormorant.

And mister new player, why fly a drone boat when what you want is a turret boat?

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Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
#14 - 2016-01-01 14:44:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Leila Meurtrier
elitatwo wrote:

Leila, what you wanted to fit was a Cormorant.

And mister new player, why fly a drone boat when what you want is a turret boat?

He asked to do something with Algos anyway. And that's actually the best you can do.
As for the turret one, Cormorant simply doesn't work for it. Although you are welcome to try fit high dps one with prop that may take single full wrecking shot without needing to run back to station/enjoy depot shenanigans and won't cap out itself.
If you want to go nuts over rat resists, AC Thrasher will still be a better option due to both higher dps AND better portion of EM while being capable of fitting MSE+ EM resist.
If you want to actually make things faster, Catalyst still can't be beat at dps, offering about 20% extra after resists, which only gets better with void.

p.s. Oh, I'll be damned, gotta sleep more. Wrote stuff as if it was about Coercer. Still, cormorant ain't got that much of a bang and Catalyst will beat it.
alindak Kahoudi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2016-01-01 18:48:55 UTC
Froggy Storm wrote:
Also to go along with the idea of caution, there are a lot of organizations out there who are happy to take on low skill players and train them. Eve can be done solo but gawds is it boring and much harder in the short term if not overall.

That being said scout around for a low (or even Nul) organization's training wing and jump in their public/recruitment channel. Ask questions, make friends, and if the group culture or attitude isn't to your liking move to the next.

Next in terms of income I must agree belt rats in low are far from ideal to a low skill player. Missions blitzing 2 and 3s will pay better and have less risk of loss. Also consider exploration or PI, both of which can be jumped into with a minimum of training. I wrote a TMC guide of how to get a viable explorer up and running from scratch in two days. Granted that was a year ago so things may have changed but in principle the facts should be similar in terms of effort in vs reward out. Just look for an up to date guide.

Also cudos for wanting to just go right out there, too many good people get lost from boredom hearing about the "Terrors" outside of Hisec.

https://www.themittani.com/features/guide-become-eve-explorer-48-hours



I loved that guide, read it several times over “dora explorer” made me want to do exploration befor anything else. Thanks a lot.
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#16 - 2016-01-23 09:54:45 UTC
The Algos drone ship is the best T1 destroyer for low sec ratting. I somewhat disagree with the Algos gun fit. Drones cover distance faster than your blaster ship and start applying DPS sooner, so I prefer using Drone Damage Amplifiers.

If you're ratting Serpentis rats (you can change the rigs to whatever suits you)...

[Algos, low sec ratter - blaster anti-Serpentis]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
1MN Afterburner II
Medium Azeotropic Restrained Shield Extender

Light Electron Blaster II, Void S
Light Electron Blaster II, Void S
Light Electron Blaster II, Void S
Light Electron Blaster II, Void S
Light Electron Blaster II, Void S
[Empty High slot]

Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Small Hybrid Locus Coordinator I
Small Hybrid Locus Coordinator I


Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x3


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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#17 - 2016-01-23 12:16:35 UTC
Oh my God, it's you again, Mr. Spoon-feed Me!


Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

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