Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That's been my working assumption, yes.

Correct, ideally we'd pick a basket of goods and then construct the price index based on the quantities and the prices. And yes, you could look at say PI, T2 components, T2 modules, ships, and so forth, much like is done today with various price indices, but even these are not really measures of inflation, they are more like attempts to measure the cost of living which can change due to inflation, but other factors as well.

Uhhhh....how did a discussion on insurance lead to price indices?

^ Can confirm. My first Hurricane was something like 26-27m. Now they're over 50m.

As I said it doesnt matter how it happened prices have gone up. We have always had a great deal more isk entering the system than leaving and the last economy blob indicated that the playerbase has started to hoard isk on a scale the would rival scrooge mcduck. Spending twice as much on our things brings about problems such as PVE that has a fixed income (aka all the rewards are paid in bounties) are now effectively worth half what they used to be. OPs idea will reduce isk flowing into the system a little but wont solve any problems.

As I said it doesn't matter how its happened, its that its happened and its causing issues with parts of the game.

Exactly. The reason for the price increase is different in the 2 scenarios.

Scenario 1: The supply of ISK is increasing too fast and inflation is a problem.

Scenario 2: CCP changed some aspect of the game resulting in higher prices, in this case a supply shock.

The "policy response" if we are to design one is different in each scenario, to pretend they are the same it is worse than sticking one's head in the sand, it is sticking one's head into their third point of contact.

Except even that is use based as CCP introduce more and more Aurum uses. And CCP have confirmed that most plex trades are going through investor hands, not end user hands. Which means again it's not inflation, it's market speculation on a market small enough that it can be controlled.

If anything is needed at all, it's some way to eat into the isk & asset savings of the big guys. Like oh,... costs for having more than 'x' value or 'x' volume in your hanger in a single station. Create a lot more of a use it or lose it effect which then encourages people to actually use assets rather than infinite stockpiles.
However that has the downside of being very arbitrary.

I have agreed its not all down to isk injection and that the OPs idea would have little impact.

But there is still the fact that the price of everything has doubled aside from pirate faction ships and t2 moon goo resources. It is far more complicated than too much isk entering the system and this does need to be addressed as there are several issues this price rise has caused.

Tech is the goo I was on about. It was a bottleneck and the price was artificially high.


The bad isn't in everything costing twice as much its what that has done to some of the activities in the game. Belt ratting for example has gone of not bad income to terrible because of the way the reward pays out. Activities that have bounties as the primary for of payment have effectivly reduced in worth as the cost of buying stuff has gone up. With putting a ship together costing twice as much it means the effective spending power you have from running things that reward you in primerally bounties have halfed.

This means any area of space that has this form of isk gathering as its primary income is now worth half what it was worth 6 years ago.

The hyperion (or any other ship for that matter) is a bad metric to judge inflation. Hull values have a lot of variables. I'll mention a few: Rail gun (or blaster) nerf or buff will directly affect value. Major t3 nerf would inversely effect BS value. BS class warp speed buff would directly effect value. General speed nerf would inversely effect a blaster boat. Adding MJD for BS hulls directly effects their value. Sloppy Sally puts out a skewed hyperion solo pvp video that all the pvp pubbies think is just awesome would directly effect the ships value (purely on emotion w/ no actual performance impact). Stinky Pete comes up w/ a sweet railperion doctrine that pwnts all T3 fleets - value leaps as all the null pubbies stockpile (again value is influenced by non-performance based stuff).

and so on.

The value of ship hulls are influenced by inflation, but there are a lot of other things that go into it.


Real money correlates to plex which correlates to isk and can therefore be used to measure inflation.

Stick w/ PLEX as the yardstick.