Player Features and Ideas Discussion

...what fleet engagements?

That's... sort of the point. This whole narrative where the big bad war deccers just pick on tiny newbie corps because the mega alliances would crush them is utter nonsense.

The mega alliances have no fucks to give for a few F1 monkeys getting shot up while running errands. They're not going to mobilize the fleet for 3 guys in HACs/recons in Uedama.

...just like the war deccers aren't going to bring out the locator agents and scour high sec to pop some guy in a Venture mining on a high sec island somewhere.

Yes, Marmite, et al, WOULD certainly be crushed by any of the nullsec mega alliances in a "fleet action". They know this. The mega alliances know it. You know it, I know it, The American People know it, everyone knows it.

What they also know is that Goons, or PL, or TEST, or whomever simply don't have the time or inclination to come camp their ass into a station. :shrug:

This isn't really important, except that it's illustrative of the fact that the OP is arguing completely from a position of ignorance when they speculate about some "larger corp" getting tired of them and giving them what-for.

That is the type of thing that your mother might suggest if you were to briefly describe the situation to her: From a purely speculative standpoint, with limited understanding of the realities of the game, it sounds really reasonable! But anyone with genuine, first-hand experience? No, that is not going to be their expectation.

That's just it. EvE is a sandbox, therefore it is up to you, the player, to provide the risk. If you provide the risk they're allegedly so afraid of, then they'll stop coming around.

When you see those "targets of opportunity" types in their HACs and t3s, undock half a dozen t1 cruisers and shoot at them. Sure, you're going to lose a few, but you losing 50mil isk in t1 cruisers is a lot less then them losing 300+mil isk HACs and even more expensive t3s. Do this three or four times, teach your corpmates not to be idiots while flying solo, and you don't have to worry about constant wardecs. You don't even have to be that good at PvP, just the fact that you will fight back is generally going to be enough.

Right? This is not exactly hard.

It just requires some tiny deviation from your normal farming routine. Yeesh.

Your premise has way more than two flaws.

1. It doesn't matter if there's two or three of them. If you pose a viable threat, meaning that you can take out one of their much more expensive ships, then they're a lot more likely to leave you alone.
2. If your war target isn't a tactical moron, when you undock half a dozen cheap t1 cruisers to fight him, he'll either dock up or leave the system. This is known as blue balling.
3. If you keep him holed up in station for a week because you try to fight him when he undocks, he's not going to wardec you again. There's no fun it in for him when he's advancing his spin counter.
4. Out of corp alts are a valid tool for you to use as well. Set your war targets red and you'll see them before they see you.
5. As the defender in a war, you are allowed to bring in as many corps as you want as allies on your side. There are many mercenary groups in EvE, some of them even reliable, that you can pay to do this for you. You could even look through the aggressor's war history and discuss teaming up with those they've wardeced before.
6. If you can't take a week out of your busy mining/missioning to defend yourself from being attacked, you shouldn't be in a highsec corp to begin with. If you do take a week out of your mining/missioning, people in wardec groups do talk to each other. Word will get around that you're not a push over, and they'll start to leave you alone.
7. The one in denial here is you. You want to end the wardec, you simply make it unfun and unprofitable for the aggressor to continue the war, and it goes away.

Finally, as long as you maintain the attitude that you're a victim, you always going to be a victim. The day you stand up, throw some punches, and take a few punches in return, to defend your play style is the day that you truly become a capsuleer. Until that day, you're nothing but content.

using more then toon for a war of denial seems a waste unless you doing large corps/alli
yes if you can convince your corp memmber, who is not playing eve of to PVP content primerly, or they would be on other the side of this, to sit houres on end for week watching a station, to keep one guy docked!
yes he would probaly chose another target!
If the defender brings in mercenary, that most likely cost a hell lot more then a wardec, i would leave the war corp, and put and alt in place, wait while, repeat the wardec
and i think most mining/indu/mission corp would like to spent time deffending there corp against a wardec, the hole point is they can't, since the attacker solo controls the duration of war!
and watching each other through a station window for weeks on end until some one tires of the staring contest, is not figthing i my book

But you demonstrably don't. Your entire position is based on how you imagine PvP works.

I doubt you've ever undocked in anything with a scram fit.

I figured for sure that, now that you are aware that all of the war data is, in fact, publicly available, you would start using it to actually provide some support for your position, but here you are again, just making **** up.

I never said it's fine as is. In fact, I said it could use an overhaul - just that what's broken about it has little to do with this laughable concept of "fairness". This is not Honorable Internet Spaceship Duels Online.





No, I don't think you need to quit. On the contrary, I think you need to undock and actually acquire some first-hand experience playing the game and, hopefully, spare us any more of your theorycrafting based on your own imaginary Bizarro-Eve.



Too bad? I'm going to call you out on every unsubstantiated claim you make. In your case, this is effectively everything you post. If you don't like that, feel free to support your assertions instead of expecting people to accept your feelings as if they were facts.

You blamed your laughable rhetorical style on a lack of data. I've now shown you that the data is readily available via the API, so you no longer have an excuse.

okay will bite,
you postet this https://public-crest.eveonline.com/wars/
it's not realy in fomat easy to read, do you have a link to traslator or reader?

It's in JSON format. which is a fairly common standard for data exchange (kind of like XML).

I wasn't limiting it to having fun by fighting back.

You can have fun doing whatever you normally do, with a small (very small, if you exercise the LEAST bit of caution) degree of additional danger. You can have fun fighting back. You can have fun taunting them in local. You can have fun trying something different for a change. Fit a covops, go try null relic sites. Day trip into a wormhole, huff some gas (or gank the locals).

These, "ehrmagerd war dec unfair" complaints always seem to boil down to someone basically claiming that if they can't AFK mine in a hulk in Uedama, then autopilot their haul to Jita, their gameplay is literally ruined.

Every solution, no matter how simple, no matter how effective, no matter how little disruption it causes, is met with some tediously lame excuse which generally doesn't even mesh with the reality of the game.

It's a complaint about bogeymen, and the monsters under the bed.