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The Mining Frigate Tree Serves No Functional Purpose.

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Thorian Baalnorn
Vergnugen Industries
Evictus.
#81 - 2016-01-20 01:23:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn
No one mines for best isk/hr income...except maybe newbs. If your mining its because you enjoy it or you just dont know any better. Mining, like PI and similar professions doesnt compete with blowing stuff up in ISK an hour.

People still do them, mostly because they enjoy the activity not the isk. Mining frigates give them more options and ways to make big rocks into little rocks, make snow cones, and huff gas. The reason you dont see them is because everyone that is using one doesnt want to be seen and thats sort of the purpose.

Sometimes you are the squirrel and sometimes you are the nut. Today, you are the nut and the squirrel is hungry.

Leonerd Dice
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2016-01-20 02:25:33 UTC
Thorian Baalnorn wrote:
No one mines for best isk/hr income...except maybe newbs. If your mining its because you enjoy it or you just dont know any better. Mining, like PI and similar professions doesnt compete with blowing stuff up in ISK an hour.

People still do them, mostly because they enjoy the activity not the isk. Mining frigates give them more options and ways to make big rocks into little rocks, make snow cones, and huff gas. The reason you dont see them is because everyone that is using one doesnt want to be seen and thats sort of the purpose.


How am I supposed to enjoy the Prospect When I can't even have it cloaked?
Sevchenko Valens
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#83 - 2016-01-20 03:16:38 UTC
Leonerd Dice wrote:


How am I supposed to enjoy the Prospect When I can't even have it cloaked?


You can put a cloak on it, you won't be able to do anything but you can still do it.
Leonerd Dice
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#84 - 2016-01-20 03:19:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Leonerd Dice
Sevchenko Valens wrote:
Leonerd Dice wrote:


How am I supposed to enjoy the Prospect When I can't even have it cloaked?


You can put a cloak on it, you won't be able to do anything but you can still do it.


My bad I was wrong again.

Cry "Stupid Stupid."

I was dead wrong too. I said you couldn't fit a claok. And you actually can fit a cloack. 100% wrong.
Paranoid Loyd
#85 - 2016-01-20 03:26:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
How is this a 5 page thread?

If any of you haven't had the pleasure of viewing the link in my sig, now is the time. Cool

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2016-01-20 03:29:51 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
How is this a 5 page thread?

If any of you haven't had the pleasure of viewing the link in my sig, now is the time. Cool


HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Pet CONCORD.

OMG, my sides.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

SurrenderMonkey
The Exchange Collective
Solyaris Chtonium
#87 - 2016-01-20 03:37:23 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
How is this a 5 page thread?

If any of you haven't had the pleasure of viewing the link in my sig, now is the time. Cool


HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Pet CONCORD.

OMG, my sides.


Now just turn it on its side and make it ******* vertical.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#88 - 2016-01-20 03:59:49 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
On a totally unrelated and off topic note - does anyone actually ever use a Prospect to light cynos ?


It's certainly been known to happen. a quick search of your favourite killboard for "Covert Cynosural Field Generator" will start. Generally fit with probes, scram/web and a hull tank. CPU is very tight.

Sevchenko Valens wrote:
Leonerd Dice wrote:


How am I supposed to enjoy the Prospect When I can't even have it cloaked?


You can put a cloak on it, you won't be able to do anything but you can still do it.


not quite.
you can warp while cloaked.
some capsuleers are of the opinion that this is kind of a big deal, and a rather useful thing to be able to do.
others, not so much.

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This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#89 - 2016-01-20 04:03:15 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
How is this a 5 page thread?

If any of you haven't had the pleasure of viewing the link in my sig, now is the time. Cool


HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Pet CONCORD.

OMG, my sides.

Hehe... glad you enjoyed it. Cool
You might also enjoy this one: Trucker-Impel

@ Loyd... use this version of it. The one you linked has a typo in it.
http://i.imgur.com/m3uEfHq.png
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2016-01-20 05:05:38 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
How is this a 5 page thread?

If any of you haven't had the pleasure of viewing the link in my sig, now is the time. Cool


HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Pet CONCORD.

OMG, my sides.

Hehe... glad you enjoyed it. Cool
You might also enjoy this one: Trucker-Impel

@ Loyd... use this version of it. The one you linked has a typo in it.
http://i.imgur.com/m3uEfHq.png


That's awesome because it's pretty much how I fly my Impel on my alt. "outta the way, boys. you're all gonna get ganked anyway so might as well just self destruct noaw."

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Kiandoshia
Likely Suspects
RAZOR Alliance
#91 - 2016-01-20 05:55:53 UTC
Poddington Bare wrote:
Leonerd Dice wrote:
The only purpose/value these ships have is fun.


It does seem a pity that I stopped reading that massive wall of text at that line, but there you have it.

I stopped reading that massive wall of text at that line. Internet Spaceships is a serious business!


I got a little further than that. The point where I stopped reading was when I was wondering whether the op had heard of mobile depots before. How long have they been in the game now?
Leonerd Dice
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2016-01-20 06:36:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Leonerd Dice
Kiandoshia wrote:
Poddington Bare wrote:
Leonerd Dice wrote:
The only purpose/value these ships have is fun.


It does seem a pity that I stopped reading that massive wall of text at that line, but there you have it.

I stopped reading that massive wall of text at that line. Internet Spaceships is a serious business!


I got a little further than that. The point where I stopped reading was when I was wondering whether the op had heard of mobile depots before. How long have they been in the game now?


You shoulda kept reading we discussed that. It's annoying. And the prospect isnt a proper upgrade. and the yield is way outta whack. Cause I mean it's a Gas Miner not a Cyno Lighter. So everytime you go to mine some gas youre switching that thing in and out in and out. With every process with every cycle.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2016-01-20 07:07:28 UTC
Leonerd Dice wrote:
Kiandoshia wrote:
Poddington Bare wrote:
Leonerd Dice wrote:
The only purpose/value these ships have is fun.


It does seem a pity that I stopped reading that massive wall of text at that line, but there you have it.

I stopped reading that massive wall of text at that line. Internet Spaceships is a serious business!


I got a little further than that. The point where I stopped reading was when I was wondering whether the op had heard of mobile depots before. How long have they been in the game now?


You shoulda kept reading we discussed that. It's annoying. And the prospect isnt a proper upgrade. and the yield is way outta whack. Cause I mean it's a Gas Miner not a Cyno Lighter. So everytime you go to mine some gas youre switching that thing in and out in and out. With every process with every cycle.


What part of "it's not meant to be an upgrade, it's meant to be a specialisation" are you struggling with here?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2016-01-20 07:18:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
I just threw this together in eft

[Prospect, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 50
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 50

Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II

Still room to upgrade that micro to an enduring or a t2, even with dual medium asb, enough to tank surprise sleepers, with a velocity of 3.8km/s, giving you a good chance to burn out of range of other surprise attackers, and of course, the covops cloak and a warp speed of 8.4. I don't even mine, or do wh, and was just trying to think of what might provide the best chance for survival for one gas mining in wh. I don't know how good this is but a w.hole gas miner could probably comment.

The fact that I can fit dual MASB on a small ship without gimping AND have the MWD is pretty incredible though, and yield is 160 with all lvl 5 skills. Definitely fits the bill of a specialised gas mining ship in my book.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Leonerd Dice
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#95 - 2016-01-20 10:38:06 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I just threw this together in eft

[Prospect, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 50
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 50

Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II

Still room to upgrade that micro to an enduring or a t2, even with dual medium asb, enough to tank surprise sleepers, with a velocity of 3.8km/s, giving you a good chance to burn out of range of other surprise attackers, and of course, the covops cloak and a warp speed of 8.4. I don't even mine, or do wh, and was just trying to think of what might provide the best chance for survival for one gas mining in wh. I don't know how good this is but a w.hole gas miner could probably comment.

The fact that I can fit dual MASB on a small ship without gimping AND have the MWD is pretty incredible though, and yield is 160 with all lvl 5 skills. Definitely fits the bill of a specialised gas mining ship in my book.


how are you struggling to get your mind outta the box bro. this tech ii isnt gonna be a speciialization. it isnt a rule or something.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2016-01-20 10:55:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Leonerd Dice wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I just threw this together in eft

[Prospect, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 50
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 50

Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II

Still room to upgrade that micro to an enduring or a t2, even with dual medium asb, enough to tank surprise sleepers, with a velocity of 3.8km/s, giving you a good chance to burn out of range of other surprise attackers, and of course, the covops cloak and a warp speed of 8.4. I don't even mine, or do wh, and was just trying to think of what might provide the best chance for survival for one gas mining in wh. I don't know how good this is but a w.hole gas miner could probably comment.

The fact that I can fit dual MASB on a small ship without gimping AND have the MWD is pretty incredible though, and yield is 160 with all lvl 5 skills. Definitely fits the bill of a specialised gas mining ship in my book.


how are you struggling to get your mind outta the box bro. this tech ii isnt gonna be a speciialization. it isnt a rule or something.


It is, actually, it's intended in the game design. T2 = specialisation. T2 =/= upgrade. You've had this explained to you multiple times by multiple people, and your further denial of this simple fact of the game is your own failure.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Leonerd Dice
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2016-01-20 11:06:57 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Leonerd Dice wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
I just threw this together in eft

[Prospect, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II

5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 50
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 50

Gas Cloud Harvester II
Gas Cloud Harvester II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II
Small Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II

Still room to upgrade that micro to an enduring or a t2, even with dual medium asb, enough to tank surprise sleepers, with a velocity of 3.8km/s, giving you a good chance to burn out of range of other surprise attackers, and of course, the covops cloak and a warp speed of 8.4. I don't even mine, or do wh, and was just trying to think of what might provide the best chance for survival for one gas mining in wh. I don't know how good this is but a w.hole gas miner could probably comment.

The fact that I can fit dual MASB on a small ship without gimping AND have the MWD is pretty incredible though, and yield is 160 with all lvl 5 skills. Definitely fits the bill of a specialised gas mining ship in my book.


how are you struggling to get your mind outta the box bro. this tech ii isnt gonna be a speciialization. it isnt a rule or something.


It is, actually, it's intended in the game design. T2 = specialisation. T2 =/= upgrade. You've had this explained to you multiple times by multiple people, and your further denial of this simple fact of the game is your own failure.


Well then they need to make a new ship i guess. I guess were hooped by the tech ii rule. and no one in a prospect flys happy until this new ship comes out. its cool though. well have a venture an endurance the new ship and the cyno lighter that mine gas pretty well with the big ol ore hold.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2016-01-20 11:16:33 UTC
Leonerd Dice wrote:

Well then they need to make a new ship i guess. I guess were hooped by the tech ii rule. and no one in a prospect flys happy until this new ship comes out. its cool though. well have a venture an endurance the new ship and the cyno lighter that mine gas pretty well with the big ol ore hold.


That's where you're mistaken. There are plenty of people using the prospect for its specialised role just fine. What makes you think a new ship is justified? Because you and you alone on this thread don't understand how T2 works? No, get out. Again, you demonstrate a failure to learn from your errors and instead choose to stand your ground as if you know something the rest of us, who have been at this a long time now, don't. Word of advice: if you don't have experience as a surgeon, you probably shouldn't pretend to know something about surgery. Same thing applies to EVE. Get some experience first, and some understanding. If you do that, one day you can look back on this thread and say to yourself, "wow, I was such an arrogant little noob back then. Glad I learned something" while you explain game mechanics to a new noob who's acting the same way you are now.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
#99 - 2016-01-20 11:21:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Nat Silverguard
Leonerd Dice wrote:

how are you struggling to get your mind outta the box bro. this tech ii isnt gonna be a speciialization. it isnt a rule or something.


no rule is needed, only common sense, and this is common knowledge so you really can't argue about this.

you can even see it in ISIS in-game, tech 2s are specializations and the closest that can be considered an upgrade is the next "bigger" hull. in this case from a venture, a mining frigate to a procurer, a mining barge.

so the progression would be for mining vessels is frigate -> barge. while in pvp ships, from smallest to biggest: frigate -> destroyers -> cruisers -> battlecruisers -> battleship -> dreadnought/carrier -> titan/supercarrier.

Just Add Water

Leonerd Dice
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#100 - 2016-01-20 11:30:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Leonerd Dice
Nat Silverguard wrote:
Leonerd Dice wrote:

how are you struggling to get your mind outta the box bro. this tech ii isnt gonna be a speciialization. it isnt a rule or something.


no rule is needed, only common sense, and this is common knowledge so you really can't argue about this.

you can even see it in ISIS in-game, tech 2s are specializations and the closest that can be considered an upgrade is the next "bigger" hull. in this case from a venture, a mining frigate to a procurer, a mining barge.

so the progression would be for mining vessels is frigate -> barge. while in pvp ships, from smallest to biggest: frigate -> destroyers -> cruisers -> battlecruisers -> battleship -> dreadnought/carrier -> titan/supercarrier.


then a new ship is needed if we just cant break away from this rule. we need a ship that can harvest gas in a reasonable quantity. with a probe launcher and a cloak. like i just said ... i dont want to ruin your life with this guys, i know youve been here everday for years. but i really think the prospect needs an extra high slot. and an increase in ore yield.

how about this no new high slot. but an upgrade in ore yield. and the ship comes with a covert ops cloak built into it. so we dont need to give the ship a new high slot.