Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This will not end well for you.

Secondly as of right now war secs favor the aggressor more than the defender. Though you can hire allies or disband and reform the corp to evade the war dec.

For every wardec against you, you can start more than 30 New corps for the same cost. If wardec costs are ridiculously low then the cost of starting a Corp seriously needs attention.

Well, golly gosh! Can this truly be?

Someone fetch me my good clutching pearls!



1. Small towers are gross.
2. I'm betting you set up somewhere between zero and no defenses.

Put up at least a medium, harden the resist holes and cover it with ECM/Webbers/Guns/Scrams. Not a lot people bored enough to bother shooting at that.

The only time I've ever had anyone actually shoot at a tower is when, lazy and bored with the game for a spell, I stop fueling it and it goes offline.

Edit: Oh, nevermind. You caught a marmite dec. Marmite decs virtually everyone. They probably don't know you have a tower, they probably don't care enough to shoot at it unless someone explicitly paid them to do so, and you are probably hanging around in a high traffic area looking like juicy targets. They probably won't pursue you. They tend to dec a ton of people, hang out in travel choke points, and let their targets come to them.

You mean some meany won't let you farm isk in 100% safety in a game where everything is PvP?!?!?!?!?!?!



It is absurdedly easy to avoid wardecs in EvE, even without reforming corp. I'm not even going to bother listing any of them, as all you have to do is search the forums for the word "wardec" and you'll find how in any of the few thousand identical threads to this one.

Also, reported for redundancy.

How would less wars being declared because of increased cost lead to more "meaningful" wars? There would just be less wars, more safety and less player interaction in highsec.

Back in the beginning it only used to cost 2 million to declare war on another corporation. Further, the technique of folding a corporation for the sole reason of shedding a war was considered an exploit (although there were other ways to shield from and shed a wardec). Wars were never intended to be especially costly or avoidable but rather just the way you went about shooting another group in highsec.

Honestly, if you don't have structures then don't bother with a corporation. You can do everything for the NPC Corp just as efficiently. Or if you are small, then just fold and reform like you did to avoid conflict. The 1M ISK cost is far less than the 50M ISK you cost your opponent.

Wars have issues, but those issue are not going to be solved by just jacking up the cost of declaring them. That will just make aggressors band together even more than they already do to share costs and make most wars even more of a steamroll.

Grab instawarp frigates and get out of there. Have an alt haul other things out. Even a T1 industrial can haul a mining barge (retriever is 3750 m3 packaged). If you know where to look, there are 0.5 and 0.6 sectors far away from the hubs and major trade routes where nobody will bother shooting at you.

If you don't have instawarp-from-station bookmarks, hire someone or use an alt to warp to, then go find a quiet place. Make sure you look for combat scanners on dscan.

Or find their pos/poco (hire a professional scout/use an alt), get some firepower together (yours or rented from someone else), and teach them why they don't want to mess with you (or, more likely, they actually will take an interest in coming after you). If you actually want to blow one up, you're going to need battleships and battleship-sized weapons, cause they have a lot of hitpoints.

Also, jump clones. Before going where there's trouble, leave the body with the shiny implants on a station somewhere.

Also worth mentioning (and i know this from experiance) that most wardec corps can't actually handle a coordinated defence or being attacked themselves .
You can pay mercenaries to allie in your war , this generally results in the agressors getting their teeth kicked in and/or them refusing to undock for the duration of the war.

You can find the mercs over in the crime and punishment sub forum or in the merc contracts channel ingame.

Ok , upon investigation , the lads you got hit by were
1) nobodys and
2) bad, baaaaaaaad bad bad.

Had ye even been in system with them saying mean things in local their ships would have exploded.
Never mind actually defended the damn pos.

Edit: to clarify, I am not talking about marmite, they're a different matter entirely .

But you haven't had your teeth kicked in, nor have you been brutally robbed. Your entire corporation hasn't been on a killboard since APRIL, when they lost what looks to be an offline POS to a helpful band of tower-bashers. You're throwing a fit about the vague threat that your spaceboats MIGHT be violenced.

And as we've already pointed out, given that the wardec in question is from Marmite, it would be quite easy to avoid any real possibility of being shot at. Marmite is effective at blowing things up, but they are also fairly predictable.

If you just moved away from any major trade hubs (and the shortest paths between them), you would likely never even SEE a wartarget.

This entire, "We're helpless newbs being viciously brutalized by an overwhelming force of veterans and there's absolutely nothing we could do about it!" narrative you're presenting is disingenuous, and borders on outright lies.

Tell us what systems you've been operating in. I'd bet 10:1 that they are literally on a pipeline between Jita and Amarr or Jita and Dodixie, or within 5 jumps of any of those endpoints.

Here, look at this image: http://i.imgur.com/uUWOMWq.png

See the line? Go very nearly ANYWHERE in high sec that isn't within five jumps of that line and you will likely escape the notice of absolutely everybody.

There are some vague exceptions, but the point is, "Go find a nice quiet system off the beaten path and you're not likely to catch a wardec from anyone of note."

Additionally, it's one thing to not know basic strategies for defending yourself. That's fine, everyone starts somewhere. However, things turn really obnoxious when, having been informed of the myriad things you could do to resolve the situation yourself, you say, "Well, yeah, okay, I guess I could do that, but instead of me having to do the slightest ******* thing for myself, how about they just change the entire game instead?"

Try something a bit larger, it only takes a couple people a short time to pop a small POS.



Sounds like you forgot to stront your tower.