Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I agree and second this motion!

well the problem is, in a game of rock paper scissors, you need all three to make it fair ???

currently, there is no counter to cargo scanning, this itself is the main issue imo

exactly why having a module would help solve this issues, as it would become common place

for example you could be empty returning from a delivery, it would show just as it would if you were full.
currently double wrapping means 100% you have something in your cargo

because the issue has never been fixed to reasonable conclusion

not looking to get drawn out into a big debate about ganking, agree it should be part of the game, and tbh it is needed.
but as it stands, there is a module without a counter that has a direct relationship to a persistent problem.

answer me this ?
is there any good reason not to have a cargo scanning counter measure ??

i mean, we have defender missiles for goodness sake, but no cargo scanning counter lol

Actually I've pondered putting forth an idea to get something into the game, precisely to facilitate more ganking. My idea was going to be to nerf double-wrap so it doesn't work anymore, then put a series of containers available in LP stores across the galaxy that acted as one-time-use boxes that had the same effect as the double-wrap used to.

ISK sink, more ganking, game mechanic being supported by tools rather than what feels like a certified glitch. Felt like a win all-around.

Oh man, I thought you mean that you can smuggle combat boosters through the customs officers at gates. Now that would be cool.

The point would be choices, you know that decision process that all players face when deciding how to fit their ships especially for those who engage brain cells first in an effort to protect themselves. For the rest I turn your question around if they will not use it what difference would it make so why not have it in game?

Overall I cannot see any advantage to these over current game mechanics, but on the basis of more fitting options and that what they would achieve is can be done in game with current mechanics why not have them.

Double-wrap (can't penetrate the second layer of plastic)
Blockade Runners (can't be scanned)

(NOTE: Suicide Gankers are often more than willing to take the gamble of blindly ganking Blockade Runners and "double wrapped" items just to see what is in them. Even if the gank will cost them a very pretty penny)


There are also "indirect" counters.

- Tossing in different types of "trash items" into your cargohold.
The cargo scanner only reports back two-thirds to three-quarters of the unique items is in a person's cargohold. By putting a bunch of "useless" stuff in your cargohold, you lower the odds of the scanner picking up the items you don't want gankers to see.

- Don't linger around.
Use insta-undock bookmarks outside of stations, have a friend/alt web you at the gates so you warp away faster. People who wish you ill will can't scan you when you don't linger around.

- Take more offbeat routes.
Who says you have to take the most used trade routes in the game? Take the more off-beat path. Yeah, on the surface those paths might have less security, but people won't be looking for you on those routes. And if you do encounter people, they probably won't be as "good" as the people on the main trade routes (see: they will probably be armatures).

Yep, had an alt lose a viator to a guy sitting on the Jita 4-4 sstation blapping transport ships. Ironically in looking at his kill board the fool is losing quite a bit of ISK since he has yet to catch somebody with a high value load. My viator was actually empty.

Similarly a guy I know in game had his transport ganked while travelling by autopilot. Again a low value cargo, but since you can't see inside they took the risk it would be a good loot drop.

You might be better off, if you are not hauling high value stuff, to let them see you are just hauling low value stuff so that they'll ignore you.

This actually works great. I keep a can full of all the miscelaneous junk CCP has given us over the years, and a bunch of crap I've collected, to toss into my freighter when hauling expensive ****. When only one or two items out of a few hundred are worth anything, they're far, far less likely to be noticed.