EVE General Discussion

Well organised Null Sec is more profitable and safer than High Sec as Concord is retribution and not help or prevention.

if anything ganking feels down to me, maybe a bit of a spike around Christmas. I have absolutely nothing to back that up with though.

imo it is pretty hard to get ganked if you fly smart. T1 haulers and mining barges are typically not smart. I mostly treat highsec like it is lowsec (although way less d-scan spam). A low isk/ehp ratio is important, as well as always activating resist mods. Not leaving huge resist holes helps too. That said it is still pretty easy for dedicated gankers to get you, however they typically won't put in the effort for a low reward, especially since there is so much low hanging fruit still around.

Some examples: A dual invlun + bastion golem has roughly 80k EHP, with everything off it is under 40k. Now imagine a worst case gank. an EMP nado + Fusion nado and you are very probably in structure where a third can finish you off. Pre-bastion mode I could solo kill a kronos with an EXP hole in a torp raven. With bastion I'm not sure if I could get a third volley off or not, don't know if I would need to either?

I was thinking more of avoiding being the victim; solo mining with no precautions / walking down a quiet street with his I fone out.
As for whether being in a violent and corrupt game universe will make him violent and corrupt IRL, studies seem to prove that is not the case at all. His COD kdr is impressive, but he hasn't seemed too murderous so far...
Interesting thought though.

Actually the issue was where and how he was mining. Ive mined in high sec with covetors and an orca in the belt for months in the past year without even seeing a ganked on grid, let alone actually being ganked. Just gotta be smart about it instead of setting up 90% afk in a busy .5 system.

I think you misunderstood. I was in the back yard smoking, he was at the helm for 5 mins and.....
As suggested earlier it may have been a ploy to reduce my smoking, that's much more likely in him..

Back in the day we had Hulkageddon, where for a limited time, if you were out mining anywhere in highsec, you were probably going to lose your ship.

These days it feels like Hulkageddon is running continuously, it is much more dangerous out there than it used to be, and it is glorious.

The game itself didn't change all that much, I think. However, after what now - 13 years? - players have perfected some of their playstyles. Ganking may be the most obvious one if you live in high sec. But then again - I have been able to gank barges and exhumers with a single destroyer back in 2009 as well. I used Thrashers back then, and each time I dropped too low on Sec status I went back to low sec and pushed it back up. These days, people don't even care. Not because the mechanics have changed, but because they have learned how to deal with them. They drop a prefit catalist from a hauler, and keep going. They use neutral scouts to pick a target before even undocking. They coordinate well enough to even crack freighters with nothing but t1 destroyers. They learned how to bump a freighter out of alignment basically as long as they need to to get in position for the kill.

However, people have perfected money making as well, blitzing missions in paper-tanked 1.5k DPS battleships, running Incursion Sites in 5 minutesc clearing whole High sec belts in a few minutes with an Army of Exhumers. Same thing with other things - Hotdropping, Blueballing, running away.

The game hasn't changed all that much, people have just learned how to play it.

Problem with ganking is that you can get disposable alts or abuse buy_sec_status_back program by concord.

I actually dont see a point in ganking where you cant get anything out of it. I understand ganking someones shinny, but killing someone just because killmail is in my eyes pointless and should be penalized even more that it is now (its not penalized at all tbh..).

Same with smartbombing pods in lowsec. Yes, I got SBed yesterday but its no biggie for me, just a bit of annoyance to get back to what I was doing few minutes ago. But attacker didnt receive anything out of it (or maybe a hardon, not sure..) and its completely pointless in my eyes.

I'll translate this for you.

A group of people have found a way to extort isk from high sec miners and mission runners using game mechanics, and have put together a stomach churning code explaining how their ganking actions are not just to benefit themselves, but to benefit the whole of eve.

Welcome back to EVE.

I dunno. I personally find the Code of conduct to be one of the most awesome things introduced by players in the game in years.
It's a lovingly crafted piece of propaganda that is engineered solely to engender a kneejerk rebellious response.
Even better, it's chock full of true.
Then there's the ten million permit fee. So many folks start absolutely FROTHING over this, which for most players basically amounts to pocket change... but, but EXTORTION!

What this equates to is something that's hard to ignore. People either hate it or embrace it so long as it has any capacity to affect them.
It's player driven content.
Emergent gameplay.

Delightfully funny from my perspective as well.