Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think that allowing each player to print ISK by killing useless NPCs and forcing every player to accept the ISK has bad aspects, like inflation.

For example, a corporation of miners can mine for 1 hour and produce a lot of resources. They put their resources for sale at 1 billion isk.
Another corporation is made up of NPC killers, they go out for 1 hour, kill NPCs and get 1 billion isk in bounties.
Killing NPCs is not useful work right now. Killing them doesn't change anything in the game.
Can we equate 1 billion isk made from killing NPCs to 1 hour of mining? I don't think so. The miners worked hard and produced resources. The NPC killers worked hard and produced nothing, and with that nothing they can buy all the resources from the miners.

So let the empires issue their own currency, backed by resources. In my opinion it would allow for a more fair exchange of goods and services.

For example, player A puts a Kestrel for sale asking for 100,000 caldari credits. Player B wants the Kestrel, but he cannot buy it with ISK, he must obtain caldari credits first. Player B must deliver tritanium to a caldari bank (because the caldari credits are backed by tritanium), either directly or indirectly.
So he delivers 100,000 tritanium to a caldari bank and gets 100,000 caldari credits in return. Then he buys the Kestrel and player A receives 100,000 caldari credits. Player A can now go to a caldari bank and get 100,000 tritanium.
Both players exchanged useful goods, without meeting eachother and without using contracts.
Of course this example is silly, but it's just to illustrate one possible way of how it may work.

Maybe we can expand currency creation to alliances too?

What are your opinions?

There is no reason to implement 4 currency since for simplicity sake, people will all flood to one of them because **** having to deal with money exchanges. Chance are we would all flock to caldari money because "Jita".

If ISKs stays, then everybody will keep using the "standard" currency and your 4 newly created currency will happen to be nothing but newbie traps.

Step one to a good suggestion.
Establish the 'problem' you are trying to fix actually exists in the first place.
Step two. Learn the standard solutions to said problem.

In this case there is no problem, isk is actually a very stable currency. Therefore nothing needs to be done.

There is no problem and I didn't propose any solution. I just think that it would be great to have currencies backed by resources.

Hoarding ISK isn't an issue as you said yourself, players can print their own ISK.

You don't have to accept ISK...so there is no force involved.



Well you want some money, and you probably want a steady growth in the money supply as well. If the money supply did not grow at all then you could end up with deflation. And when deflation is simply a monetary phenomenon then you could see the the monetary effects lead to real effects--i.e. miners not mining, people not building, etc. This was one of the problems during the Great Depression when the money supply completely collapsed. People started holding cash so the velocity of money declined. Using the equation of exchange,

MV = PT,

If V goes down then to maintain equality then either M has to go up, but that didn't happen, in fact in the U.S. the Federal Reserve was doing exactly the opposite, they were buying treasuries which meant the M was going down. So the only place for the equality to be restored is on the right hand side, P and/or T h ave to go down. P are prices and yes they went down. T is transactions which represents real activity and that went down too. Alot. So much so unemployment rose to amazingly high levels.

Why would introducing a new currency make things more "fair"? Why not just monitor the growth rate of ISK and make sure that it is not getting out of hand in terms of general prices.



You might also want to consider things like Gresham's Law which holds that bad money (i.e. fiat currency, ISK) will drive out good currency (a resource backed currency, Caldari Credits). Again, we saw this with the Great Depression as well, people would horde gold over paper money. This is why Roosevelt issued Executive Order 6102 which made hoarding gold illegal. The idea was to allow the Federal Reserve to expand the money supply which was desperately needed to help turn the economy around.



No on that last one.

Suppose I do the following:

I create the Teckos, a new in game currency and I'll issue 1 Teckos for 10 units of Tritanium and people go for it. So I have 1 billion units of trit and there are 100 million Teckos out there. I transfer the trit to an alt who sells it since the price of trit has gone up since alot of it instead of going to the market ended up in my hangar. Once the trit is gone, I declare the Bank of Teckos insolvent and all those Teckos' are now not even useful for wallpapering your captain's quarters (because you can't wallpaper your captain's quarters).

Seeing as most people will spot this possibility...nobody is going to exchange trit for a Teckos...so it would likely just end up a waste of Dev time.

And what exactly would this fix? With recent changes to station slots making them unlimited, changes to anchoring POS, and so forth manufacturing and invention have actually gotten cheaper...so any price increases due to the ISK supply growing too much appear to have been largely offset.

Along with this, it isn't all that difficult to swing LP values all over the place. Right now we have isk, aurum and PLEX and LP that can all be valued against each other. There are players that manipulate the current ones to create wealth. Some folks are really good at it. Adding 4 more currencies will just make that aspect of the game easier (the part where you manipulate one form of currency for profit). At a glance I would immediately look to make minmatar currency total crap, buy it up while it's super cheap and then affect the game to then make it worth a lot while pounding down the gallente currency. Just keep rinsing and repeating.

It would just be another way to create wealth from wealth. I'm all for sandbox play but I'll say this also - Eve is pretty much supposed to be an epic pvp space game. It's kind of hurting in the content area at the moment. There isn't a lot of meaning in most of the combat. The lack of meaning equates (for me) to the games inability to hold on to players over the long term. I see the introduction of 4 more currencies as a way for the folks that have piles of isk/LP/trit and so on to leverage their current vast wealth to create more through manipulation. I don't think that's the point of the game. Sure its a sandbox, but the game is about space fights - it's not about piling isk.

I don't think 4 more currencies will add the kind of game play the game needs. Especially with the current lack of meaning driven content.

TL/DR - adding more complexity to the current isk/PLEX/aurum/LP mix by adding 4 more equivalents won't fix anything and it won't make anything better.

All this would do is effectively take the market away from the userbase and allow CCP to control prices through exchange rates. This is a step away from the free market that we all love about EVE

Who determines that 100,000 trit are worth 100,000 caldari credits?