Player Features and Ideas Discussion

how does cargo capacity work as a drawback if my vargur's cargo is already full of cap charges?

We would know if someone with a ship that had its cargo nerfed told us. That's one way to see what happens then.

Make the bonus of the drug be exactly the same level as a rig and make the drawback an effect that rip any rig you have in your 1st rig slot be ripped every server tick.

Reduced weapon damage would be a suitable drawback. I don't see any reason to nerf cargo holds.

That is what it did to Supercapitals when their drone bays got too full.

Haulers are more limited by their align speed than their warp speed.

It's not in warp that they are gankable, so I don't see cargo as being a real necessary to use as a drawback because of haulers.

I think Riot Girl's suggestion is good. That way something like a Machariel fleet has to consider the impact and not just use it to make their fleets even faster to get to fights.

A drawback that affects turret and launcher damage or ROF is a good option because for most ships a hull HP drawback isn't a worry, so there's almost no drawback at all if it's cargo and hull.

I like the idea though.

We have Quafe Zero which effects sub-warp speed.

Maybe Starsi Max for this booster.

I don't think haulers are at risk of breaking the game.

Nothing you wrote disagrees with anything I wrote, so not sure why the aggression.

While hauling isn't my most enjoyed activity, the only hauling ship I don't use is a bowhead, so I have reasonable experience using them.

I just don't see how a cargo hit is even needed. So what if industrials can warp quickly?

For most of them, the time to align is where they are slow and this proposed drug won't affect their align time, only their warp speed.

I don't see any problem if every Charon pilot for example would use the drug. It'll still align like a slug and yes webs are a thing (I use them 100% of the time) but as the killboards show, there's a lot of people that don't use them.

The biggest bottleneck I have using my webs is that the weapons timer prevents her jumping gate before my freighters, so the freighters have to wait cloaked every now and then until the webs can jump in. This drug also won't do anything about that and the slow step will be the webs weapons timer in many cases, so there's still no issue if every freighter used a warp speed drug.

More power to them. That doesn't really need a drawback.

Nor I, but a new WS booster will consume an existing booster slot so there's a trade off right there. If there were no drawbacks relevant to haulers, it would risk creating a new meta where it was essentially mandatory for haulers.

But sure, toss it in for the third drawback. Or swap one of them to sig radius in keeping with the hyperspatial rig flavour?

I'm not precious about drawbacks to be honest, I just didn't want to stealth buff haulers without calling the possibility out.

And a cargo hit does hurt all ships using cap boosters too (which is quite a few). Well ok, not so much the small ships but that's because small cap boosters are stupidly undersized.

Any warp-speed drug would be used for a reward based benefit. Reducing weapon damage mitigates the increased reward usrs of the drug would experience.

In PvE, especially, warp rigs and implants already boost the disparity between isk/hr farmers and 'regular' mission runners. I'd propose that all warp-speed modifications should come with a relative damage output nerf.