EVE General Discussion

So, I have an old account that I started in 2004. I've played on and off a month or week at a time since then and with only 5.6mil skill points, I haven't been active very much.

When I've tried EVE in the past, all I ever really did was run a few missions and or mine until I got bored and cancelled. But something has always pulled me back in, even if for just a week here or there.

Recently, all of these years later I've gone back to EVE and I've finally fallen in love with this Universe. I've been reading guides and learning about and practicing exploration (which has been a lot of fun) and am learning so many things about the potential careers and ISK making options.

I dont know what EVE's subscription numbers are like compared to when it was breaking records for itself with 75,000 subscribers, but I know there are roughly 16,000 to 30,000 people online when I log in during the day or late at night (EST).

As someone in online marketing, I can say that the game would benefit a great deal if the community, or even EVE's staff were to write and or outsource a collection of newly updated guides related to all facets of the game to distribute through out the web. I say this because as a "new player" roaming the web for articles and guides, the newest you'll typically find are from 2012 or earlier making EVE look aged and outdated, no longer a relevant MMORPG etc which can drive down public interest.

So, I would highly encourage anyone capable or with something to say, teach or help newcomers with to write an extensive guide, or at the very least, update the various WIKI sites out there with the changes associated with EVE. It will not only help bring new players to the game, but keep the web content related to the game fresh!

Once I have learned, practices and experienced a bit more I will likely write a guide on newbie exploration in the coming week or two and I would love to see what some of you vets could come up with to help your next victims, erm, players get into the world of EVE.

Thanks for reading.

Eve university has been about for ages ....and does a fantastic job having lots of reading and listening resources available to anyone - even non members
As well as being able to pick the brains of some old eve brains ......mmmm brains 😁

Edit - nana u beat me

Document EVE? Ah ha ha , the first rule of EVE is that you will never document EVE.

If you were here in 2004, you will remember that originally there was NOTHING. The web site had a list of ships with basic descriptions of the ships and that was the "documentation". Basically you logged in and started pushing buttons to see what would happen. That is pretty much what EVE is about.

Since then various "documentation", much of it by users, has been created over the years. Nearly all of it is obsolete in some respect or another. You've got your 2013 documentation, 2011 documentation, 2008 documentation, Rubicon, Incarna, Crius, blah blah, going back into history.

The whole point of EVE is that it is undocumented--like life. Learn to love it.

Well, there is still a situation, even with PvE combat sites of some greater difficulty, when you warp in to a site, and then you must resolve a situation with all those battleships shooting, elite cruisers NOSing and elite frigates warp scrambling you, using only your wits and fitted ship you warped into this whole mess. Some locations are documented laconically even when they are here for ages. Probably people dont want to give away their secrets.

For me theres two issues. Documentation is great but yes its hard to keep redoing everything to implement the numerous changes to the game, and now with 6 week release cycles itd mean documentation changes literally every few months or so. So if you want to keep up with that then have at it and go hard.

The second issue is that I, like a few of the above posters, loved having to figure it out ourselves and the cookie cutter/paint by numbers that documentation does really levels the playing field and makes stupid people seem smart. They can look it up online and be an "expert" on it rather than actually knowing WHY and HOW it works etc. Aka they can look in the back of the text book to find the answer but cant show their work. And for me this is a huge issue. One that actually made Eve fun and was the root cause of me sticking around for so long. I love a good challenge and puzzle like that. Stumbling and fumbling about and suddenly "click" on goes the lightbulb is a great feeling.

I kinda dislike the immense use of API and other data about the eve world these days because of it to. Its the reason that I never used 3rd party programs for many years simply because it made it WAY to easy.

Go for it, OP!

Not all of the EVE uni wiki is up to date. I do agree with OP, though, and the main problem with EVE is it's complication and learning curve (as appeared to new players).

EVE is a complex, emergent sandbox. It's not up to CCP to document it and even if they'd try they'd fail at it because players will always be way more inventive and capable of finding the limitations of the game mechanics, simply because there's more of us and because it's our "job" to find those limitations. Besides, I'd rather have them work on the actual game itself, we have lots of people putting in active effort to document and explain stuff. We create wikis, guides and ingame corporations to teach people.

It would be helpful to have an official site where it's all amassed but realistically that's not going to work out too well.

If you want something done, you should do it yourself.

So trawl those patch notes and forum posts, and try things out in-game yourself, then write about them. That way, you'll be the source of the information you need, and people will look to you for guidance.

Burn your bra, make a Patreon, and write speeches about oppression.